Conor O'Gorman Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 BASC's Chris Wright shares some top tips as well as some tried and tested procedures. Click link below to read the article: https://basc.org.uk/home-loading/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC's Chris Wright shares some top tips as well as some tried and tested procedures. Click link below to read the article: https://basc.org.uk/home-loading/ Are any of these tips for loading steel with fibre wads in small bore calibers just curious as they would be useful 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Are any of these tips for loading steel with fibre wads in small bore calibers just curious as they would be useful 🤔 Traditional fibre wads would allow the steel shot to contact the barrel and chokes so really not a good idea. Currently and probably for a long time only bismuth shot is viable for the small gauges, 28 .410 even if a biodegradable wad becomes available it’s very questionable as to how practical the cartridge would be with the need to go up two diameters in shot size for steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC's Chris Wright shares some top tips as well as some tried and tested procedures. Click link below to read the article: https://basc.org.uk/home-loading/ It's like giving us advice on treating a gun shot wound after shooting us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 Quote It's like giving us advice on treating a gun shot wound after shooting us. Made me smile. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) I think the article should mention that component parts can be hard to get hold of which causes problems if you need to follow a recipe exactly. I'll second the request for small bore loading tips, especially steel / TSS in a .410 where there's no European wad available (that I know of) and the US wads have not been in stock for ages. Edited November 2, 2023 by Windswept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Traditional fibre wads would allow the steel shot to contact the barrel and chokes so really not a good idea. Currently and probably for a long time only bismuth shot is viable for the small gauges, 28 .410 even if a biodegradable wad becomes available it’s very questionable as to how practical the cartridge would be with the need to go up two diameters in shot size for steel shot. Many thanks for your reply I clicked the link and saw the loading was for 8 and 10 bore all stuff I’m familiar with big heavy guns built for big loads I don’t require a load to shoot two geese I would prefer a usable comfortable load to shoot 25 to 35 yard partridges and for them to be edible afterwards I was hoping Basc was a little more proactive and he’d commissioned some usable data for non toxic loads for small bores or a viable loading for 2.1/2 inch chamber guns possibly sourcing components for sale to there members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Many thanks for your reply I clicked the link and saw the loading was for 8 and 10 bore all stuff I’m familiar with big heavy guns built for big loads I don’t require a load to shoot two geese I would prefer a usable comfortable load to shoot 25 to 35 yard partridges and for them to be edible afterwards I was hoping Basc was a little more proactive and he’d commissioned some usable data for non toxic loads for small bores or a viable loading for 2.1/2 inch chamber guns possibly sourcing components for sale to there members limited load data for non toxic shot is about, a lot is American then however as windswept states availability of components at this time is very challenging and from what I am told not likely to improve for quite some time. Not sure what BASC hoped to achieve by publishing the article at this time, especially as they appear to be totally out of touch with the component availability at this time. however a few useful links, suppliers https://www.ballisticproducts.com/loadoftheweekarchive.htm https://www.claygame.co.uk http://www.####,co.uk Edited November 2, 2023 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 What a well written piece. What else would we expect from basic. 😃 Now my father used a bike spoke to knock the primers out and wood blocks and a wad cutter on FELT to make wads. Needs must when the devil drives. Still nowadays I use 3 different MEC loaders in 28, 20 and 12. Although I don't use the 12 much. 5 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: limited load data for non toxic shot is about, a lot is American then however as windswept states availability of components at this time is very challenging and from what I am told not likely to improve for quite some time. Not sure what BASC hoped to achieve by publishing the article at this time, especially as they appear to be totally out of touch with the component availability at this time. however a few useful links, suppliers https://www.ballisticproducts.com/loadoftheweekarchive.htm https://www.claygame.co.uk http://www.####,co.uk What else would we expect from basic. No change there. Total waste of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Minky said: What else would we expect from basic. No change there. Total waste of space. Not trying to turn this into a BASC bashing however reading hear and on another forum it is concerning as i say how out of touch they are with shooting for the average working person, you would think before publishing such an article they would contact probably at this time the last two component suppliers we have or even a quick google would give concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: Are any of these tips for loading steel with fibre wads in small bore calibers just curious as they would be useful 🤔 You wouldn’t be loading steel with fibre anyway. Will stay that way until we get a suitable eco wad for home loads in any bore. The only small bore non toxic loading I am doing is tss in the 28 bore and those wouldn’t be wasted on low partridges. I have sourced all components despite all the gloom and doom. Speaking to a pal this morning he had used tss in his 28 on high pheasant with good effect but I hate to think of the cost. Realistically most of the people I know are only loading for big bore or wildfowling loads in any event and Chris is on the wildfowling team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: You wouldn’t be loading steel with fibre anyway. Will stay that way until we get a suitable eco wad for home loads in any bore. The only small bore non toxic loading I am doing is tss in the 28 bore and those wouldn’t be wasted on low partridges. I have sourced all components despite all the gloom and doom. Speaking to a pal this morning he had used tss in his 28 on high pheasant with good effect but I hate to think of the cost. Realistically most of the people I know are only loading for big bore or wildfowling loads in any event and Chris is on the wildfowling team. Well I have a load for my 12 that’s fibre using a fibre shot cup with steel shot 2.1/2 inch it’s not especially good and certainly not a 40 yard cartridge but adequate for the lower ground shooting and just about cost effective agree components are a major issue for non toxic loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Old farrier said: Well I have a load for my 12 that’s fibre using a fibre shot cup with steel shot 2.1/2 inch it’s not especially good and certainly not a 40 yard cartridge but adequate for the lower ground shooting and just about cost effective agree components are a major issue for non toxic loads Yes fibre shot ups are the answer in 12 bore and larger. I Use them in 12, 10, and 8 although the latter use ITM and they are fine if you have a good obturator wad under them. They are though too bulky in smaller bores which is why we need development in these bores before any transition from lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave at kelton said: Yes fibre shot ups are the answer in 12 bore and larger. I Use them in 12, 10, and 8 although the latter use ITM and they are fine if you have a good obturator wad under them. They are though too bulky in smaller bores which is why we need development in these bores before any transition from lead. Totally agree maybe some of the money members put into Basc would be better spent on development of the new biodegradable wad’s to shoot the game with than the money spent trying to sell it just my thoughts seems that if they don’t apart from the damage to gun values they have created the options for many shooters will be more than limited and totally unaffordable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Old farrier said: Totally agree maybe some of the money members put into Basc would be better spent on development of the new biodegradable wad’s to shoot the game with than the money spent trying to sell it just my thoughts seems that if they don’t apart from the damage to gun values they have created the options for many shooters will be more than limited and totally unaffordable Surely that was the goal from the outset. It was never about lead or plastic far easier to make it unaffordable for most and reduce gun ownership. There's more lead and plastics put in the ground daily than we could ever put there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Dave at kelton said: Yes fibre shot ups are the answer in 12 bore and larger. I Use them in 12, 10, and 8 although the latter use ITM and they are fine if you have a good obturator wad under them. They are though too bulky in smaller bores which is why we need development in these bores before any transition from lead. I've had choke scoring even through quarter choke - they're not good enough, they're nowhere near the performance of a normal HDPE wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 I'm not qualified to comment on the technicalities of shotgun reloading as I only do it for rifle, but, surely, this is a timely post/thread. The requirement to go up three sizes from lead is a blanket statement and is only necessary if one wants to match the performance of steel to that of lead; even then sometimes a bigger jump is required and occasionally a lesser one will do it. What would complement this nicely and perhaps is an opportune moment would be to update the somewhat dated and inaccurate BASC pattern test procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, mellors said: It was never about lead or plastic far easier to make it unaffordable for most and reduce gun ownership. This, in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted November 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 Thanks for the feedback, some good points made (apart from the usual repetitive trite by some of the usual suspects) and I will pass this back to Chris for consideration for a follow-up piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Thanks for the feedback, some good points made (apart from the usual repetitive trite by some of the usual suspects) and I will pass this back to Chris for consideration for a follow-up piece. Connor, you really must learn to accept this criticism, people really do feel let down. If you post these videos that really are not very well researched, then the feedback will show this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 There are also a number of non toxic loading forums that are a good source of loading data and materials. You have to remember that, from a pure liability point of view, people are loathe to share data. That is why you need to use manufacturers or suppliers data like Claygame. I once obtained data from a well known writer for Shooting Times. The loads didn’t feel right so I sent a batch to the proof house. I was suitably admonished and politely told not to be so silly in future. The pressures developed in their words were “suitable only as a proof load” and should under no circumstances be used! 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Connor, you really must learn to accept this criticism, people really do feel let down. If you post these videos that really are not very well researched, then the feedback will show this. They may well feel let down but don’t need to keep telling us at every available opportunity. Surely the point has been made and constant repetition doesn’t make it any stronger; it is just boring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted November 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Connor, you really must learn to accept this criticism, people really do feel let down. If you post these videos that really are not very well researched, then the feedback will show this. Ok, so I will repeat the point that some good points have been made (apart from the usual repetitive trite by some of the usual suspects) and I will pass those back to Chris. Edited November 3, 2023 by Conor O'Gorman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Ok, so I will repeat the point that some good points have been made (apart from the usual repetitive trite by some of the usual suspects) and I will pass those back to Chris. Oh dear, you couldn't be more out of touch if you tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Weihrauch17 said: Oh dear, you couldn't be more out of touch if you tried. Not sure its Basc who are out of touch ……Wake up and smell the cofee ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted November 3, 2023 Report Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, holloway said: Not sure its Basc who are out of touch ……Wake up and smell the cofee ! I am not thanks, the EU have two years ago reviewed the use of Lead and have banned it over wetlands in Feb 2023 and nothing else which is what we did many moons ago. Not a blanket ban in sight. Why did the UK decide to review Lead use when we were already equal to the EU's revised rules, why would that have stopped trade in Chemicals or was it after dialogue with BASC who have wanted a Lead ban since the days of John Swift. Quote : As of today, the 15th of February 2023, using lead shot ammunition in wetlands is illegal in all 27 EU countries, as well as Iceland, Norway, and Lichtenstein. The law comes into force following a 2-year period given to the EU countries to prepare for the change.14 Feb 2023 Edited November 3, 2023 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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