Red696 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 20 minutes ago, toontastic said: Also in the news today, the Billionaire leaders of Hamas have once again rejected a proposal of aid and a ceasefire in return for freeing hostages. easy to do when you are sat in the UAE living the luxury life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 28 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: IT HAPPENS IN WAR ZONES Unrelated, but how many friendly fire incidents were attributed to British soldiers in Iraq ? It seems to be a US thing mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 I think the Israelis hitting that convoy is bang out of order. I don't think it was a case of mistaken identity, they obviously believed (mistakenly or otherwise) it was being used to cover terrorist movement/activity. I'm guessing they made a conscious decision to hit it, firing first and asking questions later. I don't believe it was simply collateral damage after careful consideration based on honest belief after looking at intel, but more a case of making a strike and stuff the consequences, knowing full well the likelihood of innocents killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I think the Israelis hitting that convoy is bang out of order. I don't think it was a case of mistaken identity, they obviously believed (mistakenly or otherwise) it was being used to cover terrorist movement/activity. I'm guessing they made a conscious decision to hit it, firing first and asking questions later. I don't believe it was simply collateral damage after careful consideration based on honest belief after looking at intel, but more a case of making a strike and stuff the consequences, knowing full well the likelihood of innocents killed. We’ll never know, but either way working in a war zone is risky business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, stockybasher said: Any missile launched would probably been from an angle/distance that prevented seeing the logo ! Hello, ok, i was just going on the film i watched, saying this they all seemed dedicated to the charity work, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Scully said: We’ll never know, but either way working in a war zone is risky business. Can't disagree with that Scully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: Unrelated, but how many friendly fire incidents were attributed to British soldiers in Iraq ? It seems to be a US thing mostly. errrrrr,i think you'll find that's the first thing i said in post 14🙄 3 hours ago, Rim Fire said: i my self dont believe all the hostages are alive or they have been abused to the point that it looks real bad for Hamas i doubt ANY of them are alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 I very much doubt the charity logo's on the van roofs would be readable at night from a distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 21 hours ago, wyn said: From what i have read the British "aid workers" were actually "guns for hire" private security. Sort of goes with the territory. Correct, a serving friend on mine has confirmed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 13 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: errrrrr,i think you'll find that's the first thing i said in post 14🙄 Ive looked at post 14, but I cant see you saying this.. 17 hours ago, Rewulf said: but how many friendly fire incidents were attributed to British soldiers in Iraq ? Which was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 19 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: it's generally the Yanks that drop goolies like this. remember the British troops they "A Tenned" to death in the first gulf war? think they brushed it off with old "friendly fire" excuse. it's war and it happens unfortunately. for some more than others. Remember my dad telling me about a saying during the 2WW, might have also been true during the 1WW and that was….when the English started shooting the Germans took cover, when the Germans started shooting the English took cover but when the Yanks started shooting, everyone took cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 There was one incident in Afghanistan where a British commander called in an American Air strike on the Taliban. There were a few British casualties and many people will likely condemn the Americans, but when they struck the Taliban they were less than 100 feet from over running a British position. Now did that airstrike save lives or cost lives. Sometimes the margin of error is so small, measure out 100 feet and see how small that margin is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 The Americans do seem to have a certain flair for it, but they don’t have the monopoly. I recall reading about a blue on blue between the SBS and SAS during the Falklands campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 36 minutes ago, Scully said: The Americans do seem to have a certain flair for it, but they don’t have the monopoly. I recall reading about a blue on blue between the SBS and SAS during the Falklands campaign. 2003 Gulf war Challenger 2 took out another Challanger 2 killing the commander. It happens in all armies the USA are more known for it in modern times as they provide the bulk of the forces deployed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Apparently 2 IDF officers have been sacked over the strike for a failure of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 its war ..these things happen and they will continue to happen...regardless what people say or shout about..........there are no rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 27 minutes ago, ditchman said: its war ..these things happen and they will continue to happen...regardless what people say or shout about..........there are no rules Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 our double standards are hilarious if this was the other bunch of fools involved there would be non stop screaming of rules especially the obligation to avoid killing civilians if possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Just now, clangerman said: our double standards are hilarious if this was the other bunch of fools involved there would be non stop screaming of rules especially the obligation to avoid killing civilians if possible! Ok, I’ll ask again. What do you think the UK should do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 58 minutes ago, Scully said: Ok, I’ll ask again. What do you think the UK should do? Maybe follow the US lead? https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-3591fb5f82b22cf8e5d1060fccaef115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Maybe follow the US lead? https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-3591fb5f82b22cf8e5d1060fccaef115 I see our wonderful Civil Service are threatening to take action over any Government sales of arms to Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, clangerman said: our double standards are hilarious if this was the other bunch of fools involved there would be non stop screaming of rules especially the obligation to avoid killing civilians if possible! Can you narrow it down, which “other bunch of fools” do you refer too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 14 minutes ago, Penelope said: I see our wonderful Civil Service are threatening to take action over any Government sales of arms to Israel. Corrected that for you: I see our wonderful Hamza shielder supporters are threatening to take action over any Government sales of arms to Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 23 minutes ago, Penelope said: I see our wonderful Civil Service are threatening to take action over any Government sales of arms to Israel. The Civil Service have only ever done what they liked from way back. I don't know when Government was last truly able to do it's own agenda? The whole "Yes Minister" series was certainly a comedy - and a very good one, but (as confirmed by Mrs Thatcher) very much based in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 9 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Corrected that for you: I see our wonderful Hamza shielder supporters are threatening to take action over any Government sales of arms to Israel. Fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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