Reform Uk

[Vince Green]

On 04/01/2025 at 21:10, ditchman said:

there is talk that starmer is going to attempt to cancell the local elections........sounds a bit iffy...fake news maybe ?

He probably wishes he could but it would be such a big admission that he has not got a grip on things that he would be committing political suicide .

However  when you surround yourself with lightweights like Reeves, Raynor, Milliband and Lammy the outcome is inevitable 

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

However  when you surround yourself with lightweights like Reeves, Raynor, Milliband and Lammy the outcome is inevitable

he doesn't have much to chose from.  Most people who can think clearly and logically based on facts would not be in Labour.  The whole idea of taking money, control and 'power' from the private sector and giving 'big state' control run by civil servants and trades unions is never going to end well.

People need to feel empowered and encouraged to strive and achieve and know that they will be rewarded for their investment of time, effort, money, ideas - and allowed to keep, enjoy and pass on those rewards.  But Labour hate that and want 'the state' having all money, control and power - and all working solely for the good of 'the state'.

[Vince Green]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

he doesn't have much to chose from.  Most people who can think clearly and logically based on facts would not be in Labour.  The whole idea of taking money, control and 'power' from the private sector and giving 'big state' control run by civil servants and trades unions is never going to end well.

People need to feel empowered and encouraged to strive and achieve and know that they will be rewarded for their investment of time, effort, money, ideas - and allowed to keep, enjoy and pass on those rewards.  But Labour hate that and want 'the state' having all money, control and power - and all working solely for the good of 'the state'.

A lot of ego being displayed by the present crop of no hopes, suddenly elevated beyond their ability 

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

A lot of ego being displayed by the present crop of no hopes, suddenly elevated beyond their ability 

I think the key thing for Ministers is to have experience of working in a business at a variety of levels - so that you understand what makes business tick, and what both motivates people to perform well and what conditions you need to create for people to perform well.

Realistically - that is likely to be people who have worked their way up in business and had responsibility for 'managing' people and commerce.  It could also apply to people from the service (who have slightly different skills) and also people with specialist (e.g. medical, legal, financial) experience, but working your way into politics by being a  'political researcher' or a 'Union official' is not going to produce the right experience and skill set needed to run a Gov't department.

[old man]

17 hours ago, JKD said:

Must be a lot of autistic members on here then 

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[JKD]

2 minutes ago, old man said:

👍🏻 😂😂😂

Not been critiqued yet !? 🤭🤣 Still time though 😆

[Vince Green]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

I think the key thing for Ministers is to have experience of working in a business at a variety of levels - so that you understand what makes business tick, and what both motivates people to perform well and what conditions you need to create for people to perform well.

Realistically - that is likely to be people who have worked their way up in business and had responsibility for 'managing' people and commerce.  It could also apply to people from the service (who have slightly different skills) and also people with specialist (e.g. medical, legal, financial) experience, but working your way into politics by being a  'political researcher' or a 'Union official' is not going to produce the right experience and skill set needed to run a Gov't department.

I agree but I fear the opposite is true, especially in the Labour Party. A career in politics is an attractive option for someone who realises they have not got what it takes to make it in industry or commerce.

Winning the General Election was an absolute disaster for the Labour Party. No more sitting on the fence comfortably living in opposition shadow politics. Earning a fat salary plus expenses for doing absolutely nothing beyond criticism of the Tories.

Now they have to step up and do real things which have consequences and will be judged

[Raja Clavata]

6 hours ago, Penelope said:

I think that Musk' key reason for all of this, is the protection of free speech.

He put his money where his mouth is in buying Twttter (X).

Hope you’re well mate.

I’m beginning to wonder if the whole free speech thing of Musk is a facade for something else. Musk is a great champion for Musk 😉

I do find it interesting that Reform appear to be very, let’s say brittle, yet some truly believe they are the solution we need in British politics.

 

[Penelope]

5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Hope you’re well mate.

I’m beginning to wonder if the whole free speech thing of Musk is a facade for something else. Musk is a great champion for Musk 😉

I do find it interesting that Reform appear to be very, let’s say brittle, yet some truly believe they are the solution we need in British politics.

 

All good thanks.

Fishing has been out of the window since the beginning of November.

[Dougy]

Depending on Musks level of Autism will depend on his filter kicking in, the comments about Farage and Tommy seem to me to be very immature, toys out of the pram, "your not having my money" and "im not going to be your friend" 

We all know Packam has issues, they both have similar medical conditions. 

I think Farage has answered the only way he can, he wont have TR in the party and neither would I, not because i dont believe what he stands for but because he a loose cannon. 

Reform were doing OK without the mention of the donation from musk, so im sure they will continue to grow, but they have got to be whiter than white because every oposition member cant wait to get their teeth into sleaze on any of the Reform party, having TR in will not do then any favours. 

[dainty duck]

He might have a few  bob but he aint a full shilling ! he married the same woman twice  .

[Yellow Bear]

22 minutes ago, Dougy said:

because every oposition member

Plus the majority of the MSM and the whole Civil service!

[johnphilip]

1 hour ago, Dougy said:

Depending on Musks level of Autism will depend on his filter kicking in, the comments about Farage and Tommy seem to me to be very immature, toys out of the pram, "your not having my money" and "im not going to be your friend" 

We all know Packam has issues, they both have similar medical conditions. 

I think Farage has answered the only way he can, he wont have TR in the party and neither would I, not because i dont believe what he stands for but because he a loose cannon. 

Reform were doing OK without the mention of the donation from musk, so im sure they will continue to grow, but they have got to be whiter than white because every oposition member cant wait to get their teeth into sleaze on any of the Reform party, having TR in will not do then any favours. 

Tommy Robinson Does not want to be in the Reform  party.  Never has 

 Tice. Made himself  looks stupid when he mentioned 

" them lot "  he was talking about  the 100,000 who attended the large rallies in London.  Proud  British folks. Of all colours .

I would guess a high percentage of those were Reform voters  as was shown in some videos of the day of that event. 

Tice and Farage  would have been better not saying anything on both  Tommy  and that rally. I am starting to think and hate to say this and hope it does not happen  , that Reform  might end up like , the former Ukip 

There is some amazing people in Reform , they have already lost  one in Ben Habib . Time will tell. 

 

[johnphilip]

This lady ( like her or hate her ) sums. Up this hole debate  re. ELON NIGEL AND TOMMY  . They all want the same thing .

Interesting how. She describes  her view on Elon. As how. American  people think. 

 

 

[BobbyH]

So the general election petition was read and debated in parliament…I have no idea what the out come was even though I watched the majority of it!

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, BobbyH said:

So the general election petition was read and debated in parliament…I have no idea what the out come was even though I watched the majority of it!

Since Labour have a huge majority, if it went to a vote, they would have won it easily.  My guess is that it didn't even go to a vote.  There was never any chance that it could have resulted in a new election.

[BobbyH]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Since Labour have a huge majority, if it went to a vote, they would have won it easily.  My guess is that it didn't even go to a vote.  There was never any chance that it could have resulted in a new election.

I think that was the general yeah, I recall one comment saying ‘we won by a big margin, so of course people aren’t happy with it’.

 
Which I do get, and there are people who think Labour are doing a good job. They are wrong like.

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, BobbyH said:

I think that was the general yeah, I recall one comment saying ‘we won by a big margin, so of course people aren’t happy with it’.

 
Which I do get, and there are people who think Labour are doing a good job. They are wrong like.

As I understand it, even if they had lost, it's a 'non binding' result - but it would have been embarrassing.  The opposition could (if they had lost and ignored it) call a "vote of confidence", but there is no doubt Starmer would always win that since his own side are not going to vote to lose their jobs!

Edited Monday at 20:29 by JohnfromUK

[BobbyH]

6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

As I understand it, even if they had lost, it's a 'non binding' result - but it would have been embarrassing.  The opposition could (if they had lost and ignored it) call a "vote of confidence", but there is no doubt Starmer would always win that since his own side are not going to vote to lose their jobs!

I have always been quite head in the sand about politics. But, the labour government have thier fingers I. The right places to screw this country over for thier benefit. 

[ShootingEgg]

54 minutes ago, BobbyH said:

So the general election petition was read and debated in parliament…I have no idea what the out come was even though I watched the majority of it!

I'd expect spoken about and then just put to one side as Starmer would never risk a vote, and as they hold the seats they would win a vote.

One way round that would be for constituents so vote of no confidence in their individual MP. this would then mean a by election. But for all the groans, the people who turned out to vote, the majority voted this pile of junk into power. 

[welsh1]

6 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

I'd expect spoken about and then just put to one side as Starmer would never risk a vote, and as they hold the seats they would win a vote.

One way round that would be for constituents so vote of no confidence in their individual MP. this would then mean a by election. But for all the groans, the people who turned out to vote, the majority voted this pile of junk into power. 

A by election cannot be called simply because people vote for it there have to be other factors.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/

[12gauge82]

On 05/01/2025 at 17:43, johnphilip said:

Drr I have been saying this for a while 

I have been  a big follower of  Nigel for a long time.

Tommy Robinson. Does not want to get into politics.  All Nigel  had to say is Tommy has his views.  I respect them.

Same with Tice openly  calling Tommy out. He could have also said. Tommy has his views and I respect  that 

Tommy has a mass following in this country  and getting larger all the time.  So popular  that's  why Labour wanted him locked away . First we had Douglas Murray  supporting Tommy 

Then the Canadian Jordan Peterson . That interview with Tommy was quite an eye opener what was going on in this country .

Now Elon siding  with Tommy .

I belive the first cracks that started  with Reform  was the fall out with  Nigel and. Ben Habib. A man I have  the most respect. For  and would have been  a better leader of Reform. 

Reform  needs to sort  itself  out fast or it Is going to loose loads of membership 

With this grooming gang  all coming out now,  what better time to all get together and do something about this  than all this willy waving . Nigel needs to think long and hard or all this will crumble. As did. Ukip.

 

The problem for reform is if they endorse TR they will loose huge support from the centre. 

I'm suspicious of TR myself and put simply, there's no reason for reform to have anything to do with TR. Reform need to be squeaky clean with regards anyone precieved to be connected to the far right. 

7 hours ago, Dougy said:

Depending on Musks level of Autism will depend on his filter kicking in, the comments about Farage and Tommy seem to me to be very immature, toys out of the pram, "your not having my money" and "im not going to be your friend" 

We all know Packam has issues, they both have similar medical conditions. 

I think Farage has answered the only way he can, he wont have TR in the party and neither would I, not because i dont believe what he stands for but because he a loose cannon. 

Reform were doing OK without the mention of the donation from musk, so im sure they will continue to grow, but they have got to be whiter than white because every oposition member cant wait to get their teeth into sleaze on any of the Reform party, having TR in will not do then any favours. 

This. Which is put better than I did. 

[johnphilip]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

The problem for reform is if they endorse TR they will loose huge support from the centre. 

I'm suspicious of TR myself and put simply, there's no reason for reform to have anything to do with TR. Reform need to be squeaky clean with regards anyone precieved to be connected to the far right. 

This. Which is put better than I did. 

What if those you call centre are actually supporters of what  tommy talks about . Why did they join or vote for reform. 

Question did you see any videos of the two rallies in London were around 100,000 people turn up were these people far right or just normal folk who wanted to make Britain great again. 

Tommy stood on stage and asked 3 questions. 

Anyone vote tory  no hands went up

Then anyone vote Labour  again no hands went up 

Last anyone  vote reform  as mass show of hands .

A few weeks later In an interview Tice. Called them

" them lot " and said he wanted nothing to do with them 

Again those 100,000 who were those people  , were they centre , were they far right. 

Nope just normal folk wanting there country back .

And Reform voters 

So I have to say again. 

Reform  need  to get there act together. It's not about Nigel or Tice . They have already lost a great spokes person in Ben Habib, I still believe there is hope for Reform  , because without them we have lost 

Have you noticed

" one of three" is not about 😀😀😀

[Mungler]

So, as far as I can remember, TR was one of the first, if not the first, to put the balloon up about Pakistani child rape gangs. The Times had some early reporting (Norfolk) but it got buried deep, went nowhere and nothing but nothing happened.

TR’s reporting / coverage has gone global and attracted attention of Musk, Peterson etc. and it’s Musk’s involvement now which is the only reason the lid is coming off the Pakistani child rape gang pot.

Indeed, looking around the world, everyone but us in the UK is astonished at what has happened and what is happening now. Objectively, how is Naz Shah famous for her ‘accidental’ retweet of Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.” still in any public office? How? How are the colleagues and party supporters of Naz Shah still in ‘public service’? What alternative reality have we come to accept?

TR is currently incarcerated in solitary confinement for pleading guilty to breaching a civil injunction (at the intervention of the Attorney General, a political appointee) and stemming from TR’s documentary which sought to expose the failings of an earlier set of civil proceedings and which ultimately resulted in his personal bankruptcy?

Any cursory inspection of the sentencing of TR shows a two tier approach - pick up  any news paper and find me a non violent civil offender getting banged up in a maximum security prison and in solitary. Absolute worst case it should have been open prison and a tag.

TR was hoping for some ‘nod’ of support from Reform that he is being persecuted for political reasons but got nothing. Reform need the centre voters and don’t know how to handle TR - any nod of support or sympathy and they’re back to being the party of far right crackpots.

All the while, MSM still focus on and play the man (TR) and not the ball - it’s a lovely huge distraction from wholly labour councils and 14 years of conservative rule coming under the microscope. Indeed both conservative and labour parties are up to their ears in this - if anyone wanted evidence of ‘uni-party’ this is it.

Back to MSM, every time TR gets a mention his real name and his criminal record gets rolled out verbatim. The detail of the ‘criminal record’ is interesting in its insignificance - I’ve seen plenty of people get into hot water for ambitious self cert mortgages and for helping friends out with an enthusiastic financial reference / statement of earnings none of which ended up with criminal proceedings, tax investigations, bankruptcy and so on. 

As for Musk; I quite like the chap. He doesn’t get it right all the time but he carries with him an enormous spotlight.

Edited yesterday at 05:43 by Mungler

[Mungler]