Vince Green Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 14 hours ago, oowee said: So why then do we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, care workers etc. Because we don't train anywhere like enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, Penelope said: £50k, wealthy; where, please? When you have £11,600 a year or less, £50,000 a year is very wealthy to most. Gives them about £100 a day to live on,compared to £31 as a state pensioner.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Penelope said: £50k, wealthy; where, please? Hello, I know a few retired couples on £50,000 between them but more single mostly ladies on just over the limit pension by a few £s so not able to claim Pension Credit and the heating allowance, I can see more uptake this year with collecting wood for open fires Edited September 12 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 10 hours ago, TOPGUN749 said: Exactly right illegal aliens! The soft lefties call them asylum seekers and can’t get enough of them! No, that's been changed to irregular migrants now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 8 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I know a few retired couples on £50,000 between them but more single mostly ladies on just over the limit pension by a few £s so not able to claim Pension Credit and the heating allowance, I can see more uptake this year with collecting wood for open fires They say 23% of pensioners are worth over £1 million,due mainly to house values,not sure if that’s true,but most pensioners are really in the £11,000 to £15,000 each I think! Some with good work pensions will be over £20,000 total income. 10 minutes ago, Penelope said: No, that's been changed to irregular migrants now. Still illegal aliens to me!🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 45 minutes ago, oowee said: 😁. Its simple really we have to take care of everyone. Benefits must be at a level to care for people but not encourage work avoidance. Pensions are the same the more you pay the less people will look after themselves through their working lives. Of course we can look at what taxes are spent on and its right that we should save where we can (we will all have different views on this) but the principle of keeping benefits light is fundamental to growing productivity. At the same time as keeping benefits including pensions at a sustainable level we must redistribute wealth (tax) by ensuring that those that have a surplus of wealth provide for more of the fabric of our society. Thank you, I will digest your reply later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 41 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said: They say 23% of pensioners are worth over £1 million,due mainly to house values,not sure if that’s true,but most pensioners are really in the £11,000 to £15,000 each I think! Some with good work pensions will be over £20,000 total income. Still illegal aliens to me!🤣🤣 Hello, My school friend i grew up with in our village now retired like me lives in a house worth 750,000 , another school friend retired but has to keep working , around 2 million pensioners will get the heating allowance while 8 million with many many just above the pension threshold will not, but as my other post many many MPs claim £1000s in heating allowance, is that fair ?? Edited September 12 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 No, of course not, but like the rest of the whole stinking mess that is British Politics, how do you propose to change anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, My school friend i grew up with in our village now retired like me lives in a house worth 750,000 , another school friend retired but has to keep working , around 2 million pensioners will get the heating allowance while 8 million with many many just above the pension threshold will not, but as my other post many many MPs claim £1000s in heating allowance, is that fair ?? Certainly not fair,they should have looked at people’s P60 earnings for last year and allowed the heating allowance to continue if under £15,000 or so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No, of course not, but like the rest of the whole stinking mess that is British Politics, how do you propose to change anything? Bring back Guy Fawkes !!!!, No I think once the younger generation see how Politics are they might stand up and be counted !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said: OK Lloyd I'll bite - I was a specialist building services engineer working primarily on large public buildings with hospitals a speciality. I am married into a family of medics and PSMs and have many friends and acquaintances in both sectors. On your second point you are correct but not to the same level, and the points you mention frequently result in the person losing their post or the company going bust, the two things that never happen in the public sector. Your third point has some validity but in my field of experience rare. I would imagine in the private sector; you were paid far better than an Engineer in the public sector during your working years … to a degree this off sets the public pension I would say. I agree with you re managing poor performance or issues in the public sector … it varies from place to place. However I have also experienced the private sector bullying people out of posts, sacking people just cos they want to make space for someone else … fire and rehire is an example we have seen in the private sector recently… the public sector is definitely more secure … that has pros and cons no doubt. In my field (Social Worker and manager) I regularly see people working 50+ hour weeks not getting paid for over 37, struggling with huge caseloads and working to keep very vulnerable people and children safe. I will remain with my view and personal experience that the majority of people there are out to help, not be a drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I know a few retired couples on £50,000 between them but more single mostly ladies on just over the limit pension by a few £s so not able to claim Pension Credit and the heating allowance, I can see more uptake this year with collecting wood for open fires Crafty fox I bet you know a few 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: would imagine in the private sector; you were paid far better than an Engineer in the public sector during your working years … to a degree this off sets the public pension I would say. In my experience this was not the case as the overall packages were in many cases better but getting in was not a case of what you knew but who you knew, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, oowee said: Crafty fox I bet you know a few 😉 Hello, Getting to old for all that !!!!!!!!!!😄 not saying i have not tried but they just pass me by😒 Edited September 12 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 7 hours ago, dainty duck said: sack him then ! he should not be allowed to upset you or anyone else on the forum ! Unfortunately with having the power comes great responsibility 😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 10 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No, of course not, but like the rest of the whole stinking mess that is British Politics, how do you propose to change anything? Sadly my experience tells me to agree with you. Those in charge will not let it? The old saying springs to mind. "Live in hope, die in despair." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 Private sector pension companies go bust losing thousands of peoples money Gordon Brown screwed the private pensions of lots of workers in private schemes companies fold with pension funds in debt to the workforce pension managers lose money belong to clients and the Gov does nothing to stop the rot except stick their hands out for more of peoples future. And now talk of taxing the lump sum from your pension pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 1 minute ago, armsid said: Private sector pension companies go bust losing thousands of peoples money Gordon Brown screwed the private pensions of lots of workers in private schemes companies fold with pension funds in debt to the workforce pension managers lose money belong to clients and the Gov does nothing to stop the rot except stick their hands out for more of peoples future. And now talk of taxing the lump sum from your pension pot This many people / now pensioners lost money investing in their pension plans robbed by government I think maxwell spent his company pension funds many of the bigger pension companies went bust pretty sure tata steel has a massive pension deficit along with the post office pension black hole Best not mention endowment mortgage that never earned anything like predicted by the companies sold on a commission basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 38 minutes ago, Old farrier said: This many people / now pensioners lost money investing in their pension plans robbed by government I think maxwell spent his company pension funds many of the bigger pension companies went bust pretty sure tata steel has a massive pension deficit along with the post office pension black hole Best not mention endowment mortgage that never earned anything like predicted by the companies sold on a commission basis Hello, Did i read Labour have given Tata £500 million ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Did i read Labour have given Tata £500 million ?? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 9 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Did i read Labour have given Tata £500 million ?? For new 'green'electric furnaces so they can recycle old steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 10 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Did i read Labour have given Tata £500 million ?? Another good move. We want to retain capacity (means of production) and we want the jobs. I doubt Labour can claim all the credit as this has been on the cards for the last three years at least. 11 hours ago, armsid said: Private sector pension companies go bust losing thousands of peoples money Gordon Brown screwed the private pensions of lots of workers in private schemes companies fold with pension funds in debt to the workforce pension managers lose money belong to clients and the Gov does nothing to stop the rot except stick their hands out for more of peoples future. And now talk of taxing the lump sum from your pension pot There are protections in place in the event that a company goes bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 (edited) 13 hours ago, armsid said: Private sector pension companies go bust losing thousands of peoples money Gordon Brown screwed the private pensions of lots of workers in private schemes companies fold with pension funds in debt to the workforce pension managers lose money belong to clients and the Gov does nothing to stop the rot except stick their hands out for more of peoples future. And now talk of taxing the lump sum from your pension pot Sadly we've seen nothing yet but preplanned action by those instigating ensures the impact on them is mainly zero? Edited September 13 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 4 hours ago, oowee said: There are protections in place in the event that a company goes bust. Indeed there are, and I am very glad about it! I worked for Kodak for many years with a final salary pension. The pension scheme went bust and is now in the pension protection fund. This pays 90% of my expected income, which is a lot better than 0%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 6 minutes ago, Sussexboy said: Indeed there are, and I am very glad about it! I worked for Kodak for many years with a final salary pension. The pension scheme went bust and is now in the pension protection fund. This pays 90% of my expected income, which is a lot better than 0%. Ah I remember the Kodak story from the news. Good to hear that you at least got the majority back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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