London Best Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 15 minutes ago, Savhmr said: The most insidious and worrying aspect of all of this are plans afoot to criminalise "thought"! Yes, that's right!....Labour plans to give police new powers to arrest people caught praying in the street, where Christian values might "offend" non-Christians, and that includes anyone within a specified distance of say an abortion centre, standing alone, praying silently for the women with unborn children availing themselves of these places. Not interfering mind, not obstructing, protesting or in fact being stood close to one. Anyone within 150m of such places having the affront to be in public, standing, silently praying on their own, or in small groups, will be liable for arrest and imprisonment. I know a lady who was arrested in Glasgow for being a few hundred metres from one, and was silently praying on a street corner. It's already passed as law by the SNP. She spent several weeks in jail for that "offence" What the hell is the UK coming to? Anyone stood praying on a street corner is obviously a nut job and should be in a secure hospital! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 4 Author Report Share Posted September 4 12 hours ago, London Best said: Anyone stood praying on a street corner is obviously a nut job and should be in a secure hospital! what ...one of the 40 new hostpitals Boris promised..............care in the community matey...thats the way forward dontchya know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, ditchman said: care in the community matey...thats the way forward dontchya know Sadly with this lot it is don't care for the community - fine example is deputy leader who was a carer( in this mould I have been told ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 15 hours ago, London Best said: Anyone stood praying on a street corner is obviously a nut job and should be in a secure hospital! Nonsense. They are simply acting on their conscience, and aren't doing any harm to anyone. Calling them "nut jobs" is being as judgemental as those arresting them and throwing them in jail, as happens in communist China. Do we really have empathy with that sort of bully boy policing? I hope not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 On 02/09/2024 at 21:13, old man said: A lovely thought? A brilliant analysis. Thanks! I have my moments, although they may be few and far between. I came to this conclusion during the Brexit debate as I couldn't understand why politicians from both left and right were remainers. A shared means to achieve different ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 On 01/09/2024 at 19:56, bluesj said: I don't really get this left and right thing, didn't the nazis start off as National Socialist German Workers' Party and wasn't the kkk started by members of the democratic party. Would have thought they are a couple of what would be seen as right wing organizations. yep! Socialists in the truest sense. Took a couple of things a bit far, and proved that filming things will always come back to haunt you… quick tip: if you are going to commit mass murder, never make a record of it 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 The NDSAP definition of socialism was a bit different. I think it was a convenient label in the early days. If you just google "national socialism" or similar you will find Hitler's ideas on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 They were not socialists in any sense of the word, particularly after 1934. The Nazis hijacked the original party and tied hitlers racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric in order to appeal to the disillusioned lower middle classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 11 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: The NDSAP definition of socialism was a bit different. I think it was a convenient label in the early days. If you just google "national socialism" or similar you will find Hitler's ideas on this. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tik+history This chap is a good and very informative listen on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 Shirer's "Rise and fall of the Third Reich" is a fascinating contemporary account. However it does run to about 1100 pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 Just my opinion. The demise 35 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: They were not socialists in any sense of the word, particularly after 1934. The Nazis hijacked the original party and tied hitlers racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric in order to appeal to the disillusioned lower middle classes. Hitler hijacked control of the party. The socialism, racism and nationalist views were already there, he just magnified them and whipped a majority into a frenzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 Just my opinion.. this left right battle is replacing the centuries old battle of religion, a few want control of how the masses think and act. The majority have figured out religion is a crock of ****, so the few needed a new construct. Divide and conquer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 12 minutes ago, Red696 said: Just my opinion.. this left right battle is replacing the centuries old battle of religion, a few want control of how the masses think and act. The majority have figured out religion is a crock of ****, so the few needed a new construct. Divide and conquer! Exactly how I see it too👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Red696 said: Just my opinion. The demise Hitler hijacked control of the party. The socialism, racism and nationalist views were already there, he just magnified them and whipped a majority into a frenzy. This is a good explaination. Edited September 5 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 On 03/09/2024 at 18:25, Savhmr said: "Far Right" = Any view that doesn't correlate with left wing and woke politics; Mainstream Media have been quick to become echo chambers for the hard left, and brand ordinary, fairly conservative citizens who wish to protest against growing illegal immigration, protest against rape gangs and two tier policing and opposing woke politics in all its colours as "Far Right". It's a cop out. Under Starmer's government, "free speech" simply means you're allowed to express a view as long as it echoes their views. Anyone found guilty of saying anything to the contrary is accused of "hate speech". It's standard practice and there's plenty of evidence from groups like ANTIFA, that it's almost a tactic taken from their marxist ideology to force closure on debate an dialogue. Everything Labour is planning involving clamping down on free speech is aimed at shutting down opposition. Sound familiar? China and Russia spring to mine. The most insidious and worrying aspect of all of this are plans afoot to criminalise "thought"! Yes, that's right!....Labour plans to give police new powers to arrest people caught praying in the street, where Christian values might "offend" non-Christians, and that includes anyone within a specified distance of say an abortion centre, standing alone, praying silently for the women with unborn children availing themselves of these places. Not interfering mind, not obstructing, protesting or in fact being stood close to one. Anyone within 150m of such places having the affront to be in public, standing, silently praying on their own, or in small groups, will be liable for arrest and imprisonment. I know a lady who was arrested in Glasgow for being a few hundred metres from one, and was silently praying on a street corner. It's already passed as law by the SNP. She spent several weeks in jail for that "offence" What the hell is the UK coming to? Possibly Hades and handcart may be involved? 14 hours ago, Houseplant said: Thanks! I have my moments, although they may be few and far between. I came to this conclusion during the Brexit debate as I couldn't understand why politicians from both left and right were remainers. A shared means to achieve different ends. You are obviously lucky enough to have forgotten the complexities of UK style politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 8 hours ago, old man said: You are obviously lucky enough to have forgotten the complexities of UK style politics? Haha! Walk in the park compared to MMP (Mixed Member Proportional), a mixture of FPP and PR. It produces some very odd election results. Not recommended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 20 hours ago, Red696 said: Just my opinion.. this left right battle is replacing the centuries old battle of religion, a few want control of how the masses think and act. The majority have figured out religion is a crock of ****, so the few needed a new construct. Divide and conquer! Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 23 hours ago, Red696 said: yep! Socialists in the truest sense. Took a couple of things a bit far, and proved that filming things will always come back to haunt you… quick tip: if you are going to commit mass murder, never make a record of it 👍 The Nazis were neither left or right sharing some ideology of both sides in the beginning while having more right leaning ideology towards the war, while still retaining some left wing ideology throughout. To be honest does it actually matter, what matters is they were extremists who's warped views and ideology must never be allowed to be repeated. 22 hours ago, Red696 said: Just my opinion.. this left right battle is replacing the centuries old battle of religion, a few want control of how the masses think and act. The majority have figured out religion is a crock of ****, so the few needed a new construct. Divide and conquer! Spot on 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 (edited) 40 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The Nazis were neither left or right sharing some ideology of both sides in the beginning while having more right leaning ideology towards the war, while still retaining some left wing ideology throughout. To be honest does it actually matter, what matters is they were extremists who's warped views and ideology must never be allowed to be repeated. Spot on 👍 Far right meets the far left. Edited September 6 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, oowee said: Far right meets the far left. Absolutely, in the words of Forest Gumps mother, an extremist is as an extremist does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 20 hours ago, Houseplant said: Haha! Walk in the park compared to MMP (Mixed Member Proportional), a mixture of FPP and PR. It produces some very odd election results. Not recommended! Ha, ha, most oldies afraid to walk in the parks now anyway. To be honest the mental attitudes of most of our politicos seems to be beyond any comprehension? Give away to all and sundry, bash the locals into poverty and submission using energy as the cosh. At least you have isolation as a buffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 29 Author Report Share Posted September 29 STOP PRESS looks like the right wing freedom party in Austria is going to win ...once the votes are all in... the right wing parties in Germany are also making ground.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 Right wing, or just right of where we are now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: Right wing, or just right of where we are now? SURELY they MUST be EXTREME right, like the rest of us? Edited September 30 by TIGHTCHOKE A question mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: just right of where we are now? This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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