Is it worth paying the extra for fibre wad cartridges

[Old farrier]

As title 

mid it worth paying a premium £10 plus a slab for a fibre 410 cartridges when this keeps happening 

the fiochie is unfired for scale 

Seems to me that I’m leaving about the same amount of plastic in the environment as I would if I used a plastic wad 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

SHOCKING.

[bluesj]

looks like 3" cartridges in a 21/2" chamber.

Not good why ever it is happening, can't do the pattern any good!

[London Best]

I can only state that Express fibre wad 2 1/2 inch in a 2 1/2 inch chamber don’t do that.

Edited October 1 by London Best

[aberisle]

i had the exact same thing happen with hull cartridges the same ones in 410, change your brand of cartridges

[Smokersmith]

Certainly worth giving feedback to the manufacturer .. that’s just not OK.

[Old farrier]

1 hour ago, bluesj said:

looks like 3" cartridges in a 21/2" chamber.

Not good why ever it is happening, can't do the pattern any good!

3inch cartridge in a 3 inch chamber 

dosent help with the pattern in the least 

7 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Certainly worth giving feedback to the manufacturer .. that’s just not OK.

I doubt they would be interested enough to reply sadly 

 

57 minutes ago, aberisle said:

i had the exact same thing happen with hull cartridges the same ones in 410, change your brand of cartridges

To what ? 
fiochie ar only plastic wad 

not keen on express and no agent for them local or eley 

[Old farrier]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

SHOCKING.

Just a tad 

and no good for reloading 🤔

[Fargo]

Got a 410 Hushpower and it does that with any fibre cartridges . 
 

Had to start using the Fiocchi and no problem since. Don’t like using plastic but needs must.

[Fellside]

I use these 410 Hull High Pheasant cart’s and haven’t had any problems. In fact they work brilliantly. I wonder if there is some other factor at play….? 

P.S Just noticed they aren’t the High Pheasant type - they appear to be the newly launched Pro 410. My mistake. 

[Stonepark]

Be interesting to see pressures for these pro 410 cartridges...... Loading looks to be far too "hot" for hull plastic quality.

[Old farrier]

29 minutes ago, Fellside said:

I use these 410 Hull High Pheasant cart’s and haven’t had any problems. In fact they work brilliantly. I wonder if there is some other factor at play….? 

P.S Just noticed they aren’t the High Pheasant type - they appear to be the newly launched Pro 410. My mistake. 

I’ve used a lot of the high pheasant and didn’t have a problem other then a few badly crimped 

thought I would try these new pro 410 they seem be good apart from this issue 

thanks for your reply 😊👍

18 minutes ago, Stonepark said:

Be interesting to see pressures for these pro 410 cartridges...... Loading looks to be far too "hot" for hull plastic quality.

Well I definitely won’t be reusing the cases 🙄

personally think it’s a issue with the wad to little wax / to hard dry but I’m no expert 

thannks for your reply 😊👍

 

[enfieldspares]

I bought a Webley bolt action .410 least week. These are a 2 1/2" chamber. It wouldn't eject Gamebore "Hunting" .410 (a fibre wad cartridge) which when fired stuck in the chamber. Pulled hard on the bolt and the extractor would override it every time. Tried it with Eley Trap which have a plastic wad and didn't have a problem. So I think, yes, that some brands are not suitable for some shotguns? I think that it is a problem with the "leed" and the case mouth walls of the .410" being thin and the cartridge a high pressure loading. I am imagining the fibre wad forces itself through a tight leed and as it does expands. This then grips the thin case mouth walls and takes them with it?

Edited October 1 by enfieldspares

[Fargo]

7 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

I bought a Webley bolt action .410 least week. These are a 2 1/2" chamber. It wouldn't eject Gamebore "Hunting" .410 (a fibre wad cartridge) which when fired stuck in the chamber. Pulled hard on the bolt and the extractor would override it every time. Tried it with Eley Trap which have a plastic wad and didn't have a problem. So I think, yes, that some brands are not suitable for some shotguns? I think that it is a problem with the "leed" and the case mouth walls of the .410" being thin and the cartridge a high pressure loading. I am imagining the fibre wad forces itself through a tight leed and as it does expands. This then grips the thin case mouth walls and takes them with it?

100%
 

[Smokersmith]

9 hours ago, Old farrier said:

9 hours ago, Smokersmith said:

Certainly worth giving feedback to the manufacturer .. that’s just not OK.

I doubt they would be interested enough to reply sadly 

 

I’d encourage you to give them an opportunity.

 I really can’t imagine that they’d see that and think it was OK.

[Fellside]

The tolerances on 410s are very slight and each will have its own minute differences. I’m just wondering if it could be down to basic cartridge/gun incompatibility. My 410 doesn’t get on very well with Gamebore for example, but functions perfectly well with Eley and Hull. 

[Old farrier]

3 hours ago, Fellside said:

The tolerances on 410s are very slight and each will have its own minute differences. I’m just wondering if it could be down to basic cartridge/gun incompatibility. My 410 doesn’t get on very well with Gamebore for example, but functions perfectly well with Eley and Hull. 

May I ask the make of your 410 

I’ve tried these in a browning and a beretta with similar results 

[Ultrastu]

I've not used the new hull Pro  clay carts .but have used high pheasant  in both plastic and fibre wads .both can burn the ends of the case  but I've never seen it as bad as that  some of yours are 50 %gone  .

I use layvale carts and fiocchi   and these suffer less burning .some nsi carts I have also  burn the ends a bit .

To be honest .different times of the year seem to produce different results  (I find winter the worst actually  .) 

I've a few different .410 guns all with 3 inch Chambers  and I get similar burnt ends from every gun .

But those hull pro are unreal .I think it's a cartridge  problem .and nothing to do with your gun. 

Ps gamebore carts never seem to burn but these always seem a bit lower powered than hulls  

[HantsRob]

Hey OF, have you tried RC carts?

 

https://shootingstarcc.co.uk/cartridges/rc/rc-410/

 

I believe one of your island gunsmiths is an importer and so could get those for you, they have a 3" version in fibre

 

stockist;

Arnold Heal Ltd

86B St James' St, Newport PO30 1LB

T. 01983 523352

W. arnoldheal.co.uk

[Old farrier]

2 minutes ago, Ultrastu said:

I've not used the new hull Pro  clay carts .but have used high pheasant  in both plastic and fibre wads .both can burn the ends of the case  but I've never seen it as bad as that  some of yours are 50 %gone  .

I use layvale carts and fiocchi   and these suffer less burning .some nsi carts I have also  burn the ends a bit .

To be honest .different times of the year seem to produce different results  (I find winter the worst actually  .) 

I've a few different .410 guns all with 3 inch Chambers  and I get similar burnt ends from every gun .

But those hull pro are unreal .I think it's a cartridge  problem .and nothing to do with your gun. 

Ps gamebore carts never seem to burn but these always seem a bit lower powered than hulls  

Many thanks for the reply and useful info 😊👍

 

1 minute ago, HantsRob said:

Hey OF, have you tried RC carts?

 

https://shootingstarcc.co.uk/cartridges/rc/rc-410/

 

I believe one of your island gunsmiths is an importer and so could get those for you, they have a 3" version in fibre

 

stockist;

 

Arnold Heal Ltd

86B St James' St, Newport PO30 1LB

T. 01983 523352

W. arnoldheal.co.uk

He can at a price 😊 and Winchester which I would prefer 

although my title of the thread was asking if it’s actually worth buying fibre wad cartridges as you don’t know if this is going to happen until you have fired them 

think the big picture imagine 50% of the fibre 12 bore cartridges you fire coming out of the gun like that what do you do 

order another 1000 of a more expensive brand bearing in mind most manufacturers only buy in components and assemble them 

Hull should be the best they have a royal warrant 

[HantsRob]

I don't disagree at all. You'd think they'd be seriously concerned with that and would want to rectify!

 

Id be mortified if my spent cartridges came out like that.  I'd share some if I had some for you to try 😞

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I wonder if Hull and the others still regard the .410" shotgun as a training aid for youngsters and just don't care?

[Bigbob]

As above email that pict to the company and see what they say 

[Minky]

This is happening in other gauges also.  Last summer I went to to a simulated driven game/clays day.  During the lunch break one of the other guns said that he was loosing half of his cartridges.??  I asked if he had a hole in his cartridge bag.😆.  But what he meant was that his cases(20) gauge were melting just like these.?  I looked at my 28 Gauge cases and the same thing had happened to them.  Don't know why but the shots did as they normally would.  The cartridges fired as normal and the clays broke just the same.  I did post pictures back then.

[enfieldspares]

42 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Hull should be the best they have a royal warrant 

Not true! Boss shotguns were better than Purdey shotguns and Holland & Holland shotguns after the 1922 self-opener patent better than either. But neither Boss nor Holland's had a royal warrant for shotguns.