Mahyar Tousi

[Mungler]

36 minutes ago, armsid said:

During Browns election campaign (20 plus tears ago) a woman voter asked about immigration , Brown turned to her and called her a racist and this stopped the debate dead in its tracks He wasn,t interested in the voters concerns but his own agenda

 

Great example.

Even then, for the intellectually superior living in the nice post codes miles away from the issues, it was grubby and of ‘low status’ to voice any opinion against or in opposition to mass immigration (badged as the modern ‘benefit to all’ of multiculturalism). 

My oh my, how that’s aged…

Indeed, imagine what could have been if any politician since had actually paid the slightest bit of attention to the electorate; we wouldn’t be staring populism in the face right now for starters. 
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Edited December 8, 2024 by Mungler

[100milesaway]

On 07/12/2024 at 22:13, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t agree. In simple terms I get the impression that he appeals to three types:

1. Those who are unable to think for themselves

2. Those who are too lazy to think for themselves

3. Those who are infatuated with an anti-Muslim agenda

In some cases I suspect a combination of the above is at play.

Wow, that is a rude, condescending comment to make against folk who just have a different opinion to you. There are many people on this forum that have an ability to question things that don't add up and long may that continue.

From Auntie 

[old man]

18 hours ago, Good shot? said:

I do not get why the so called            "educated liberal elite" cannot see what this country has become and especially where it is heading at a fast pace, when I and other less educated plebs see the obvious overturning of our culture and way of life and worse.

I dread to think that all this is by design as opposed to a blinkered view, I am however coming around to this way of thinking.

It must be by design as we are well past the point of stupidity and ignorance?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

14 hours ago, armsid said:

During Browns election campaign (20 plus tears ago) a woman voter asked about immigration , Brown turned to her and called her a racist and this stopped the debate dead in its tracks He wasn,t interested in the voters concerns but his own agenda

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-bigoted-woman

[Scully]

19 hours ago, Good shot? said:

I do not get why the so called            "educated liberal elite" cannot see what this country has become and especially where it is heading at a fast pace, when I and other less educated plebs see the obvious overturning of our culture and way of life and worse.

I dread to think that all this is by design as opposed to a blinkered view, I am however coming around to this way of thinking.

There’s an agenda to pursue. One of global ( or at the least European ) multiculturalism. Anything we experience are ‘teething problems’ and  acceptable and to be borne for ‘the greater good’. 

[Gordon R]

Quote

 

Wow, that is a rude, condescending comment to make against folk who just have a different opinion to you. There are many people on this forum that have an ability to question things that don't add up and long may that continue.

From Auntie 

 

Agreed. Raja missed off option 4 - those with a brain. I suspect it was a deliberate omission.

[sportsbob]

On 09/12/2024 at 01:46, 100milesaway said:

Wow, that is a rude, condescending comment to make against folk who just have a different opinion to you. There are many people on this forum that have an ability to question things that don't add up and long may that continue.

From Auntie 

You put that much better than I would have, most of us here are very aware there are a few on here with opposing views however those with the opposing views live in a very different world to most of us. They are all self important , self righteous and pompous in there manner whereas most of us bite our lip because we had a better upbringing.

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, sportsbob said:

You put that much better than I would have, most of us here are very aware there are a few on here with opposing views however those with the opposing views live in a very different world to most of us. They are all self important , self righteous and pompous in there manner whereas most of us bite our lip because we had a better upbringing.

If there were no people on here with opposing views, I would likely get a lot more work done 

I enjoy the banter, I learn things, and whether they live in a different world or not, the forum would be pretty boring if they werent there.

Its all good, and nothing personal 

[Raja Clavata]

3 hours ago, sportsbob said:

You put that much better than I would have, most of us here are very aware there are a few on here with opposing views however those with the opposing views live in a very different world to most of us. They are all self important , self righteous and pompous in there manner whereas most of us bite our lip because we had a better upbringing.

I suspect it’s more a case of people deciding it’s better to remain silent and considered a fool rather than speaking up and removing all reasonable doubt.

Better upbringing, yeah right.

[12gauge82]

I think we'd all get along a lot better face to face. The human element tends to get lost over the Internet and like Rewulf says above, I enjoy opposing views, providing they are made in an at least semi respectful manner.

I actually quite miss Henry Ds contributions, I can't say I agreed with him much, but it was certainly an interesting insight into another persons views of the world 😵‍💫. 

In short PW would be a much duller place without some polite disagreement. 

[Raja Clavata]

8 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think we'd all get along a lot better face to face. The human element tends to get lost over the Internet and like Rewulf says above, I enjoy opposing views, providing they are made in an at least semi respectful manner.

I actually quite miss Henry Ds contributions, I can't say I agreed with him much, but it was certainly an interesting insight into another persons views of the world 😵‍💫. 

In short PW would be a much duller place without some polite disagreement. 

Agreed although I try to live by the mantra of not writing things online that I wouldnt say to someone’s face. 

[Good shot?]

😂😂

[sportsbob]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I suspect it’s more a case of people deciding it’s better to remain silent and considered a fool rather than speaking up and removing all reasonable doubt.

Better upbringing, yeah right.

Post edited, to make it more clear.

 

When someone runs out of valid argument they turn to personal insults.

Edited December 13, 2024 by sportsbob

[Raja Clavata]

4 hours ago, sportsbob said:

Post edited, to make it more clear.

 

When someone runs out of valid argument they turn to personal insults.

As you’ve amply demonstrated.

[Mungler]

So grooming gangs are back in the news. It’s all coming out now how Labour appear to have blocked a public enquiry into the Oldham rape gangs because it would have exposed Starmer’s failures as the then head of the CPS.

To my mind, grooming gangs (across multiple cities) are one of the biggest stains on modern history but still not fully investigated, prosecuted, exposed or discussed - why, well you can fill in the blanks I’m sure.
 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes truly shocking, as you say it is all starting to show their true colours.

[Penelope]

28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes truly shocking, as you say it is all starting to show their true colours.

They always have, it's just people are looking now.

[Mungler]

35 minutes ago, Penelope said:

They always have, it's just people are looking now.

And the first person (and only person for some considerable number of years) to speak out and risk the slings, arrows and prison time in exposing the scandal and the two tier justice system, was none other than Mr. T Robinson. 

The soft phraseology of ‘grooming gangs’ still troubles me enormously. Factually, the label should be ‘rape and torture gangs’ prefaced either by ‘Pakistani male’ or ‘Muslim male’ but no, we are now inexplicably glued to the soft generic of ‘grooming gang’.

If anyone dares to delve into any of the facts of some of the crimes, they will understand there was no depth to the violence or depravity of these people, many of whom went un-prosecuted or received the lightest of prison sentences.

A real stain on our history. 

[johnphilip]

27 minutes ago, Mungler said:

And the first person (and only person for some considerable number of years) to speak out and risk the slings, arrows and prison time in exposing the scandal and the two tier justice system, was none other than Mr. T Robinson. 

The soft phraseology of ‘grooming gangs’ still troubles me enormously. Factually, the label should be ‘rape and torture gangs’ prefaced either by ‘Pakistani male’ or ‘Muslim male’ but no, we are now inexplicably glued to the soft generic of ‘grooming gang’.

If anyone dares to delve into any of the facts of some of the crimes, they will understand there was no depth to the violence or depravity of these people, many of whom went un-prosecuted or received the lightest of prison sentences.

A real stain on our history. 

Yep so true "  there are none so blind. as. Those that can not see. It"  

He grew up among all this. If you watch. Some of his earlier  videos. Of his life as a young man in Luton.  Saw. It all first. Hand. 

He was. A jack the lad in his younger. Days . But with help. From others. He has. Changed. To be a better. Caring person. 

The likes of many we will not see. Much today 

Oh the Labour Party had been  looking. A long time  to try and. Shut him up . 

Especially  the Home Secretary. 

[Penelope]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

And the first person (and only person for some considerable number of years) to speak out and risk the slings, arrows and prison time in exposing the scandal and the two tier justice system, was none other than Mr. T Robinson. 

The soft phraseology of ‘grooming gangs’ still troubles me enormously. Factually, the label should be ‘rape and torture gangs’ prefaced either by ‘Pakistani male’ or ‘Muslim male’ but no, we are now inexplicably glued to the soft generic of ‘grooming gang’.

If anyone dares to delve into any of the facts of some of the crimes, they will understand there was no depth to the violence or depravity of these people, many of whom went un-prosecuted or received the lightest of prison sentences.

A real stain on our history. 

Agree whole heartedly.

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

And the first person (and only person for some considerable number of years) to speak out and risk the slings, arrows and prison time in exposing the scandal and the two tier justice system, was none other than Mr. T Robinson. 

The soft phraseology of ‘grooming gangs’ still troubles me enormously. Factually, the label should be ‘rape and torture gangs’ prefaced either by ‘Pakistani male’ or ‘Muslim male’ but no, we are now inexplicably glued to the soft generic of ‘grooming gang’.

If anyone dares to delve into any of the facts of some of the crimes, they will understand there was no depth to the violence or depravity of these people, many of whom went un-prosecuted or received the lightest of prison sentences.

A real stain on our history. 

The 'Fast Jet' podcast guy, read out some of the barbaric atrocities these scum had committed in regards to the Oxford trials.

Yee, gods, what those poor girls went through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=velaOtrTYAM

Edited January 3 by Penelope

[johnphilip]

An interesting  read a former female police officer  who tried to do something  about this .

What has our country become. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Oliver

[Penelope]

44 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

An interesting  read a former female police officer  who tried to do something  about this .

What has our country become. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Oliver

A good egg, who was blocked at every avenue.

[Yellow Bear]

And then we get this,  proving the point of what is happening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxdzng92lno

[Mungler]

Interesting:

 

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA),, external which published its final report in 2022, described the sexual abuse of children as an "epidemic that leaves tens of thousands of victims in its poisonous wake".

It knitted several previous inquiries together alongside its own investigations.

Professor Jay said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of her report's 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later.

She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it.

"But we can only do what we can to press the government to look at the delivery of all of this.

"It doesn't need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done."

 

The fact that nothing has been done is not something which should be ignored. Indeed, "why has nothing been done?" seems to be a good starter for 10 question.

All rather shameful really.

 

[johnphilip]

59 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Interesting:

 

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA),, external which published its final report in 2022, described the sexual abuse of children as an "epidemic that leaves tens of thousands of victims in its poisonous wake".

It knitted several previous inquiries together alongside its own investigations.

Professor Jay said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of her report's 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later.

She said: "It's a difficult subject matter, but it is essential that there's some public understanding of it.

"But we can only do what we can to press the government to look at the delivery of all of this.

"It doesn't need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done."

 

The fact that nothing has been done is not something which should be ignored. Indeed, "why has nothing been done?" seems to be a good starter for 10 question.

All rather shameful really.

 

I belive you will find this very interesting. 

https://youtu.be/ba0sEBf9cYc?si=XoEZltNZLpZ0HvxT