Dave-G Posted Tuesday at 16:27 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:27 I sometimes see FB posts about Arla milk being rubbish, apparently with dodgy stuff being fed to dairy cows. Dunno whether to believe it or not - anyone know whats going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:33 1 minute ago, Dave-G said: I sometimes see FB posts about Arla milk being rubbish, apparently with dodgy stuff being fed to dairy cows. Dunno whether to believe it or not - anyone know whats going on? Arla are a milk processor rather than a farming company. I set up an Arla plant in Aylesebury. I can't remember the details but they are managed with a cooperative of dairy farmers that are their suppliers. Farmers are elected to the management board it was a very impressive setup which controls pricing in support of buyers and producers. I would be very surprised if the large number of farmers involved in anyone dairy were doing anything dodgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted Tuesday at 16:35 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:35 I just found this: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162107320018326&set=a.500272418325 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted Tuesday at 16:39 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:39 4 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I just found this: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162107320018326&set=a.500272418325 Must be true. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjdgre3vpo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted Tuesday at 17:00 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:00 My Mrs asked if I'd heard about milk being boycotted last week but I hadn't seen it, all to do with cows being given stuff to stop them breaking bad, because that will save the planet 😅😅 Then you'll see something Pears grown in Argentina, processed in Thailand and sold in England, because those air miles are OK, I'd rather take my chances with smelly cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted Tuesday at 17:04 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:04 We had some in the fridge and when I saw this on the news I binned it. Lurpak and Anchor butter are affected to, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole now. They should not be doing this without making it Public knowledge which it wasn't. I imagine their sales will nose dive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted Tuesday at 17:08 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:08 3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: We had some in the fridge and when I saw this on the news I binned it. Lurpak and Anchor butter are affected to, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole now. They should not be doing this without making it Public knowledge which it wasn't. I imagine their sales will nose dive. Why would you do that? Arla sell in other bottles. What else do you know of that is injected into or fed to cows? Who else is using this additive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted Tuesday at 17:31 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:31 The current uproar is over a feed additive given to dairy cows which is supposed to reduce their belching and farting of methane. ARLA are trialling it in the UK and M&S have been doing similar trials I believe. The objections are based on the reports that the chemical additive is not safe for human contact in its concentrated form and can cause cancer and infertility. Bovaer is the chemical/additive if you want to look it up. Methane from cattle is part of the carbon cycle, the key word being cycle. It does not add to atmospheric carbon and cattle in the UK according to studies have made no effect on the atmosphere over the last 20 years. So this chemical is being added to dairy cattle food to cure a problem that doesn't exist in the first place. My opinion is it is yet another big pharma company living off the back of farmers, claiming to be helping climate change while making millions of pounds profit yet no address being made of the real source of the problem (if there is one) which would be burning fossil fuels. Cattle are not the problem. Use of this additive is mandatory in Denmark, this is a big part of why Lurpak suddenly has yellow stickers on it. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if UK Gov are thinking of making it mandatory as part of their quest for net zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted Tuesday at 17:41 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:41 40 minutes ago, Mice! said: My Mrs asked if I'd heard about milk being boycotted last week but I hadn't seen it, all to do with cows being given stuff to stop them breaking bad, because that will save the planet 😅😅 Then you'll see something Pears grown in Argentina, processed in Thailand and sold in England, because those air miles are OK, I'd rather take my chances with smelly cows. I'm with you bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted Tuesday at 17:42 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:42 I'm against our food being messed about with as far as possible. As for the government labeling concerns as misinformation, you haven't got to look too far back to find issues with that. "BSE", "the covid jab is safe" even hunter Bidens laptop which was on all the fact checkers as being untrue. Perhaps it is safe, but they can't say that with 100% certainty and why risk it, with find other ways without messing with the food chain, or accept our country is over populated and look at ways of reducing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted Tuesday at 17:44 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:44 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: I'm against our food being messed about with as far as possible. As for the government labeling concerns as misinformation, you haven't got to look too far back to find issues with that. "BSE", "the covid jab is safe" even hunter Bidens laptop which was on all the fact checkers as being untrue. Perhaps it is safe, but they can't say that with 100% certainty and why risk it, with find other ways without messing with the food chain, or accept our country is over populated and look at ways of reducing that. Stop being sensible, action by others is cheap and deniable if the wheels come off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted Tuesday at 17:53 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:53 (edited) Difficult to boycott Arla, we are trying so today we bought Yeo Valley milk then found out that they are owned by Arla!! According to one article I read Tesco have been using milk with the additive since July - there is no legislation that says it has to be stated on the bottle/carton. Faceache clip reckons millions are already refusing to buy milk from Arla farms as no long term tests on Bovaer have been completed.Tesco, Aldi and Morrisons are all supplied by Arla and it's not just milk, butter etc will also be treated. Edited Tuesday at 17:55 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted Tuesday at 18:30 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 18:30 I'm lucky where we have a local supplier that sells his own milk from a vending machine on the farm. He had a Facebook post about this stating that he will not be using any of this cack in his herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted Tuesday at 18:39 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 18:39 I suspect this is a further red herring from the vegan activists attempting to discredit dairy. Shouty minority again with a dopey agenda on social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted Tuesday at 18:41 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 18:41 This additive is not transferred to the cows milk and has been used on the continent for years. To dump dairy products is foolish and reactionary without knowing the facts and above all a waste of money 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: I suspect this is a further red herring from the vegan activists attempting to discredit dairy. Shouty minority again with a dopey agenda on social media. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Tuesday at 19:02 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:02 Hello, I suppose if we all ate grass there would be a lot more methane in the atmosphere , Against the World population to Cows its all a load of Hot Air 🤔😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acerforestry Posted Tuesday at 19:11 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:11 I'm actually beginning to wonder what crackpot stupidity the climate change alarmists (because thats the crux of this) can come up with next. Ruminants create a bit of gas, thats what nature intended, and that's what they do. You can't change that with a cocktail of essentially toxic chemicals - and if you look at the COSSH spec for this stuff thats going into the dairy products, that's what it is. And apparently this won't affect the animal, or the end product.. really? If the general public have started boycotting these on the supermarket shelves, I think it's for a reason. Word has spread, and so has mistrust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted Tuesday at 19:23 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:23 (edited) I'm going to write to my local supermarkets and inform them I will no longer be buying dairy products from them unless they lable which of their products contain milk produced by cows given Bovaer. The only way to stop it is to hit these companies where it hurts them most, which is their pockets. Edited Tuesday at 19:23 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted Tuesday at 19:42 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:42 If you do that then you are capitulating to the "flat earth society" and they have won. Read the facts not social media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted Tuesday at 19:58 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:58 2 hours ago, 39TDS said: Methane from cattle is part of the carbon cycle, the key word being cycle. It does not add to atmospheric carbon and cattle in the UK according to studies have made no effect on the atmosphere over the last 20 years. So this chemical is being added to dairy cattle food to cure a problem that doesn't exist in the first place. What studies would they be? Methane is known to be many times more potent for global warming than co2. The UN (*) showed the gas to be 80 times more potent than carbon dioxide over a 20 year period. NOAA data from global sampling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted Tuesday at 21:54 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:54 2 hours ago, Wylye said: If you do that then you are capitulating to the "flat earth society" and they have won. Read the facts not social media Not at all. Do you not believe people should have the ability to decide what they put in their body's? That has nothing to do with flat earth, or any conspiracy theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted Tuesday at 22:19 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 22:19 4 hours ago, bruno22rf said: Difficult to boycott Arla, we are trying so today we bought Yeo Valley milk then found out that they are owned by Arla!! According to one article I read Tesco have been using milk with the additive since July - there is no legislation that says it has to be stated on the bottle/carton. Faceache clip reckons millions are already refusing to buy milk from Arla farms as no long term tests on Bovaer have been completed.Tesco, Aldi and Morrisons are all supplied by Arla and it's not just milk, butter etc will also be treated. From Yeo valleys website. If you are worried I can always ask a mate who works there if they use bovear or any other similar additives the Mead family Yeo Valley is a privately owned family business. The Yeo Valley business is owned by the Mead family and its employees in the Yeo Valley Employee Trust. Roger and Mary Mead founded the company by purchasing Holt Farm in Somerset in 1961, with 35 cows and we created the Yeo Valley Organic brand in 1994. They are part of Milk link, which is now a part of Arla, a co-operative of farmers which originally started in 1881 in Sweden and in the UK in the 1990s. "We have a long-held ambition to grow organic dairy in the UK, because we believe that organic dairy is better for the planet, the cows and for our own health." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted Tuesday at 23:42 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 23:42 1 hour ago, ShootingEgg said: From Yeo valleys website. If you are worried I can always ask a mate who works there if they use bovear or any other similar additives the Mead family Yeo Valley is a privately owned family business. The Yeo Valley business is owned by the Mead family and its employees in the Yeo Valley Employee Trust. Roger and Mary Mead founded the company by purchasing Holt Farm in Somerset in 1961, with 35 cows and we created the Yeo Valley Organic brand in 1994. They are part of Milk link, which is now a part of Arla, a co-operative of farmers which originally started in 1881 in Sweden and in the UK in the 1990s. "We have a long-held ambition to grow organic dairy in the UK, because we believe that organic dairy is better for the planet, the cows and for our own health." If you could ask that would be helpful 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted Tuesday at 23:58 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 23:58 meanwhile bison ,buffalo roam the plains of America .wildebeast, elephants,giraffes **** merrily in the serengety in Africa,plus all the other wild animals on the planet ,the world is overpopulated by humans and thats the problem, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted Tuesday at 23:59 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 23:59 3 hours ago, oowee said: What studies would they be? Methane is known to be many times more potent for global warming than co2. The UN (*) showed the gas to be 80 times more potent than carbon dioxide over a 20 year period. NOAA data from global sampling. "GWP* shows no additional warming has occurred from UK methane emissions over the last 20 years" Taken from the ADHB press release from Monday 2nd December 2024 https://ahdb.org.uk/news/bovaer-debate-highlights-evidence-is-key-in-tackling-emissions-challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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