Ukraine, Russia, UK and Europe?

[Rewulf]

7 minutes ago, holloway said:

is money all its  about though ?

Of course it is.

[holloway]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Of course it is.

Cant disagree , America pushing for signing large mineral deal with Ukraine which they clearly don't want to do ,Russia trying to take it all by force  not a pleasant world is it .

[Raja Clavata]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

How do you think Ukraines shattered economy is paying wages, pensions, benefits, the day to day running of a country ?
It isnt, the west is.
Thats a fact.

The West yes, not just US tax payers.

[Raja Clavata]

25 minutes ago, holloway said:

I imagine if you are paying it so is Europe and the UK although i cant say for sure ,is money all its  about though ?

Whilst just about anything can be rationalised to a financial sum, it’s obviously not just about money.

That said, what Trump is doing is largely financial engineering, a proportion of the money is on lend-lease arrangement, the US arms industry profits from just about every arms shipment sent to Ukraine, even mothballed equipment. US contractors will also greatly profit from the rebuilding of Ukraine civilian infrastructure. The US does very well out of it.

[Raja Clavata]

29 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

White House national security adviser Mike Waltz says Ukraine needs to "tone down" its criticism of the US and sign a minerals deal being pushed by President Trump

 

Unsure if this has been shared but we all know why Trump is pushing the talks...  He will want to buy Ukraine next if they won't let him dig it up...

It’s also being suggested that the US neither really wants nor really needs the Ukrainian resources. Trump is a manipulator, as is Putin, I don’t know what the real scoop is but things Trump is positioning on currently should not be taken literally.

Whatever his game is he’s trying to establish a strong point of leverage in multi way negotiations.

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The West yes, not just US tax payers.

But you agreed with Vince when he said Ukraine had had 'no cash at all' just weaponry ?

 

13 minutes ago, holloway said:

Cant disagree , America pushing for signing large mineral deal with Ukraine which they clearly don't want to do ,Russia trying to take it all by force  not a pleasant world is it .

Ukraine has 2 choices, give the minerals to the US, or Russia takes them and sells them to the Americans, and the Yanks find another way to recoup their losses.
Bear in mind that Russia has occupied the areas where the best rare earths are already.

 

3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

US contractors will also greatly profit from the rebuilding of Ukraine civilian infrastructure.

I wouldnt bank on that too much, some one needs to pay them, and Ukraine is bankrupt now, and will be for some time.
The only thing they have is these mystical rare earths, that everyone keeps talking about, but no one saw fit to mine them and improve the country previously.
Dont you find it odd that they were sitting on 2, 3 , 4 trillion dollars worth of wealth for many years, but they preferred to live in poverty ?

[Raja Clavata]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

But you agreed with Vince when he said Ukraine had had 'no cash at all' just weaponry ?

My bad, I was predominantly agreeing with Vince on Trump, I should have snipped the quote.

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I wouldnt bank on that too much, some one needs to pay them, and Ukraine is bankrupt now, and will be for some time.
The only thing they have is these mystical rare earths, that everyone keeps talking about, but no one saw fit to mine them and improve the country previously.
Dont you find it odd that they were sitting on 2, 3 , 4 trillion dollars worth of wealth for many years, but they preferred to live in poverty ?

Yes, I've already suggested it's not what it seems and I'm also not sure how Ukraine gives minerals to the US if the minerals sit in land it has to cede to Russia.

[Gordon R]

Raja - whilst you are back pedalling, perhaps you might revisit your patronising replies to NoBodyImportant.

[spanj]

On 17/02/2025 at 08:36, welsh1 said:

There should be a law pased first that all MP's children of fighting age should be the first to be drafted to the front line, maybe then they would think twice about their idiotic ideas and the waste of life wars give.

While not a bad shout it would require an MP to raise a bill and other MPs to vote in favour of it ……. This is the problem in our country they do what suits them and their needs

[NoBodyImportant]

Trumps deal is actually pretty good.  50% of all minerals mined in the Ukraine will be sold to America at fair market value for 25 years.  Ukraine isn’t giving the minerals to the us. They just have to give American companies the right to buy it first.  

[Raja Clavata]

13 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Raja - whilst you are back pedalling, perhaps you might revisit your patronising replies to NoBodyImportant.

No back-pedalling, just still laughing at you getting schooled on the Letby thread the other week. 

May I disrespectfully ask you to leave me alone, I have no interest in you, your opinion or anything else about you.

[Gordon R]

Raja - after this post I will block all your posts. Lucy Letby has not been settled, so it's a bit early for pathetic gloaters. 

You talked down to NoBodyImportant and made a fool of yourself, as usual.

 

[islandgun]

2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Trumps deal is actually pretty good.  50% of all minerals mined in the Ukraine will be sold to America at fair market value for 25 years.  Ukraine isn’t giving the minerals to the us. They just have to give American companies the right to buy it first.  

Oh... Don't worry every one Sir Kier is on his way to America soon, he will sort everything out..😄

[Gordon R]

Sadly for Starmer, Macron is going to the USA first. I find it mildly amusing that Starmer is rushing to place British troops in Ukraine, whilst at the same time undermining Trump's suggested deal. Starmer's proposal hasn't been agreed by the European leaders either, with Germany slating it.

Desperately floundering to be relevant and failing.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, So you USA will help Ukraine but only if they give them first priority on the Minerals , I would tell Trump to Do One 🤔

Edited yesterday at 09:17 by oldypigeonpopper

[NoBodyImportant]

13 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, So you USA will help Ukraine but only if they give them first priority on the Minerals , I would tell Trump to Do One 🤔

I mean, we gave them the first 210 billion dollars for free.  So I feel like America has done their fare share.  Maybe some European countries can pick up Americas slack. That’s not a small number. Not to mention the 70 billion we gave to other countries in aid last year.  If you remember correctly according to Democrats, America could not afford to build a 12 billion dollar border wall.  

[semi-auto]

Greenland, Canada, Gaza and now Ukraine. Who will Trump target next?

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I mean, we gave them the first 210 billion dollars for free.  So I feel like America has done their fare share.  Maybe some European countries can pick up Americas slack. That’s not a small number. Not to mention the 70 billion we gave to other countries in aid last year.  If you remember correctly according to Democrats, America could not afford to build a 12 billion dollar border wall.  

Hello, That is all very well but how would you feel if you were an Ukraine National, Maybe family killed, Home destroyed, and your President given an Ultimatum, Minerals or no more help, So sit back and watch Russia wipe out a Nation and all its Citizens , If that happens it will not stop there, Putin will have other Countries in his Gun Sights, And the USA will still not get the Minerals

[johnphilip]

11 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, That is all very well but how would you feel if you were an Ukraine National, Maybe family killed, Home destroyed, and your President given an Ultimatum, Minerals or no more help, So sit back and watch Russia wipe out a Nation and all its Citizens , If that happens it will not stop there, Putin will have other Countries in his Gun Sights, And the USA will still not get the Minerals

Does it really matter. To Ukraine  who they sell them to. Businesses  is Businesses.  What has our clown of a. PM  done. Signed a contract for 10 years. To give aid. .To UKRAINE  what do we get in return ?? 

[amateur]

2 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Does it really matter. To Ukraine  who they sell them to. Businesses  is Businesses.  What has our clown of a. PM  done. Signed a contract for 10 years. To give aid. .To UKRAINE  what do we get in return ?? 

A warm, fuzzy feeling 🤣

[London Best]

52 minutes ago, semi-auto said:

Greenland, Canada, Gaza and now Ukraine. Who will Trump target next?

Hopefully, he will want the U.K. to be the 51st. State. 
It is likely our best chance for a future.

[johnphilip]

25 minutes ago, amateur said:

A warm, fuzzy feeling 🤣

Could do with one it's bleeding freezing up here in Scotland  this morning.  The heating allowance  would  have helped.  But no he gives it to other. Countries 

[clangerman]

43 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, That is all very well but how would you feel if you were an Ukraine National, Maybe family killed, Home destroyed, and your President given an Ultimatum, Minerals or no more help, So sit back and watch Russia wipe out a Nation and all its Citizens , If that happens it will not stop there, Putin will have other Countries in his Gun Sights, And the USA will still not get the Minerals

I wouldn’t then come over here to scam British tax payers out of thousands of pounds which comes out of the child’s budget to house OUR vulnerable that’s how low your Ukrainian pals are stealing from those who have nothing! 

[oldypigeonpopper]

30 minutes ago, clangerman said:

I wouldn’t then come over here to scam British tax payers out of thousands of pounds which comes out of the child’s budget to house OUR vulnerable that’s how low your Ukrainian pals are stealing from those who have nothing! 

Hello, Most of the Ukraine Nationals in UK are working and paying Tax , This can not be said on the 1 million Illegal immigrants costing Tax payer millions of £s , And Labour have just announced more money for free legal aid to illegal immigrants which puts the money Ukraine national get into insignificance 

Edited yesterday at 11:12 by oldypigeonpopper

[johnphilip]

3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Most of the Ukraine Nationals in UK are working and paying Tax , This can not be said on the 1 million Illegal immigrants costing Tax payer millions of £s 

Our enemies  are  within. , the  powers. That be. Let them here .

While our eyes are focused on abroad. We are been taken over .

A race of people. Who hate. Us. We are seeing it unfold on our streets. Most days. No fear they have. Something you see on YouTube videos is quite scary  shops been looted  while security  stands by not allowed to get involved   because they may hurt the little darling .