MartynGT4 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Someone's going to be in the dog house over this one... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29943441 "Minor injury to her lip"! :| Edited November 6, 2014 by MartynGT4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Wonder if the officer involved will lose his or her ticket? The pessimist in me thinks they might not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Cut lip - ejected case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 It makes poor reading however it happened. Why have a firearm and a live round anywhere near anyone, let alone children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 A PR exercise ending up having the opposite effect, poor wee - lass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Does anyone know if this was a Glock? I recall reading of quite a few instances of ND's by the users of Glock handguns, including one memorable one on youtube where the plain clothes cop giving a demo' accidentally shoots himself in the leg in front of a class full of people. I also think the Royal protection cop who discharged his handgun on a train was in possession of a Glock, but I may be wrong. Is the Glock standard issue? Two coppers I saw at Birmingham airport had Glocks strapped to their legs. I'm not implying there's anything inherently unsafe about the mechanism, just that it would appear the mechanism requires a bit more care by the user in its operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 People will probably put me down for saying this but in a country like ours where for the most part the only guns that the police are going to come up against are the odd hand gun and sporting guns so I do not understand why they need semi auto hand guns when the good old revolver is a much simpler and safer gun for them to use apart from that the armed responce units will have SMGs. In other parts of the world like the us where the bad guys could have both semi and full auto guns then they may well need something with more bullets in it but I would say if the cop cannot stop the bad guy with 5 or 6 shots he or she needs to spend some time learning how to shoot for me more bullets means more innocent people get killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Predictably it has been reported as an 'Accidental Discharge' instead of a 'Negligent Discharge', so this will be yet another incident which will be quietly swept under the carpet, I suspect. And there has been talk recently about arming all police officers .... gawd help us all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I would say if the cop cannot stop the bad guy with 5 or 6 shots he or she needs to spend some time learning how to shoot for me more bullets means more innocent people get killed. 5 or 6 is plenty until its not and then you are in trouble. Reloading a firearm during a firefight is a bad idea, some have also being hit by 10 or more handgun rounds and kept on fighting. People are quite capable of having a negligent discharge with a revolver as well as semi/ autos. Extra care is required with a Glock as it has no conventional safety catch. PS You have to ask what he was doing with the firearm loaded. Edited November 6, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 The chief of police has apologised to the PCC & assured them it wont happen again .....well that's ok then , I'm sure they would take the same stance if one of us had a negligent discharge were a child got slightly injured ....an apology & a promise would do the trick ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 I think it was the empty case that struck her, so she was hardly shot... might have pushed forward to see better. .. As for the comment from Gordon R: 'Why have a firearm and a live round anywhere near anyone, let alone children.', I don't understand this. I got into shooting as a 13 year old, when the army came to my school, to see who wanted to Join a shooting club. We went to the indoor range in Leeds, where we regularly shot .22's, but also to the outdoor range at Strensall, where as children we fired .303's, SLR's, Sterling SMG's and various other (now probably prohibited!) firearms. We usually encourage youngsters to take up our sport, and this was a minor injury that required no hospital treatment... Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I think it was the empty case that struck her, so she was hardly shot... might have pushed forward to see better. .. As for the comment from Gordon R: 'Why have a firearm and a live round anywhere near anyone, let alone children.', I don't understand this. I got into shooting as a 13 year old, when the army came to my school, to see who wanted to Join a shooting club. We went to the indoor range in Leeds, where we regularly shot .22's, but also to the outdoor range at Strensall, where as children we fired .303's, SLR's, Sterling SMG's and various other (now probably prohibited!) firearms. We usually encourage youngsters to take up our sport, and this was a minor injury that required no hospital treatment... Mike. When I posted the thread, the BBC web page contained considerably less information than it does now, so at the time the indication was that the child had been shot and injured. Edited November 6, 2014 by MartynGT4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) sensationalist head line for this topic. she wasn't shot was she ?? oops sorry op Edited November 6, 2014 by digger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Does anyone know if this was a Glock? I recall reading of quite a few instances of ND's by the users of Glock handguns, including one memorable one on youtube where the plain clothes cop giving a demo' accidentally shoots himself in the leg in front of a class full of people. I also think the Royal protection cop who discharged his handgun on a train was in possession of a Glock, but I may be wrong. Is the Glock standard issue? Two coppers I saw at Birmingham airport had Glocks strapped to their legs. I'm not implying there's anything inherently unsafe about the mechanism, just that it would appear the mechanism requires a bit more care by the user in its operation. I do not understand the reasoning behind your post, any handgun could have been the weapon in this situation. The Officer is at fault, NOT the weapon. The Officer that caused the NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE was apparently NOT on armed duties at the time of the incident. Why was he there? Why was he handling a weapon at all? Surely someone above him is liable for a good telling off for allowing live ammunition in that situation that saw it be in the magazine of that weapon as well as the man himself for not following strict procedures when handling the weapon. It really is an almighty cock up, thankfully the young lass wasn't hurt more seriously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) sensationalist head line for this topic. she wasn't shot was she ?? oops sorry op no worries Edited November 6, 2014 by MartynGT4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 I have to wonder why there was a magazine of live rounds which were inserted into the weapon when this was just a "show and tell" for some people who had won a competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 I have to wonder why there was a magazine of live rounds which were inserted into the weapon when this was just a "show and tell" for some people who had won a competition. Look kids, REAL bullets!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 5 or 6 is plenty until its not and then you are in trouble. Reloading a firearm during a firefight is a bad idea, some have also being hit by 10 or more handgun rounds and kept on fighting. People are quite capable of having a negligent discharge with a revolver as well as semi/ autos. Extra care is required with a Glock as it has no conventional safety catch. PS You have to ask what he was doing with the firearm loaded. The clock is used by many law enforcement agencies because it is inherently a safe gun. The pistol has no external hammer and can only be fired in the double action mode . The safety catch as such is in the trigger its self . The first pressure on the trigger releases the safety and the second pressure will cock and fire the gun . The clocks trigger pull is a very long affair and is likened to pulling the trigger of a revolver in double action mode . The only way to get a glock to fire is to actually pull the trigger it cannot be fired by dropping it on the ground or by hitting it with a hammer . Although the clock is a very reliable and accurate pistol it was never popular with target pistol shooting because of the very long pull on the trigger . There was an after market trigger called the New York trigger ,but it never really caught on . You cannot accidentally discharge a glock ,but you can most definitely negligently discharge it . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) The clock is used by many law enforcement agencies because it is inherently a safe gun. You will find price has a lot to do with it being so popular among police forces. The safety catch as such is in the trigger its self. As most negligent discharges are caused by individuals pulling the trigger, a safety on the trigger is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. There was an after market trigger called the New York trigger True and that was a heavier trigger fitted because of the alarming number of negligent discharges involving Glocks. As for them not being popular among target shooters you are correct, you couldn't give them away here. The only way to get a glock to fire is to actually pull the trigger it cannot be fired by dropping it on the ground or by hitting it with a hammer . The same goes for most firearms. Edited November 6, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I do not understand the reasoning behind your post, any handgun could have been the weapon in this situation. The Officer is at fault, NOT the weapon. The Officer that caused the NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE was apparently NOT on armed duties at the time of the incident. Why was he there? Why was he handling a weapon at all? Surely someone above him is liable for a good telling off for allowing live ammunition in that situation that saw it be in the magazine of that weapon as well as the man himself for not following strict procedures when handling the weapon. It really is an almighty cock up, thankfully the young lass wasn't hurt more seriously! I have no idea why he was there nor why he was handling a firearm of any description, make or model in the vicinity of anyone, let alone a child, but I wasn't inferring any 'reasoning', merely asking a question and making an observation. i wasn't implying the weapon was at fault either, Glock or not, ( merely that the Glock is a different method of operation to most other designs ) and I agree, the fault is entirely with the user. I agree, it is an almighty cock up. I still don't know if the Glock is standard issue to our Police forces, but from other posts have a sneaking suspicion it may be. Edited November 6, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 The clock is used by many law enforcement agencies because it is inherently a safe gun. The pistol has no external hammer and can only be fired in the double action mode . The safety catch as such is in the trigger its self . The first pressure on the trigger releases the safety and the second pressure will cock and fire the gun . The clocks trigger pull is a very long affair and is likened to pulling the trigger of a revolver in double action mode . The only way to get a glock to fire is to actually pull the trigger it cannot be fired by dropping it on the ground or by hitting it with a hammer . Although the clock is a very reliable and accurate pistol it was never popular with target pistol shooting because of the very long pull on the trigger . There was an after market trigger called the New York trigger ,but it never really caught on . You cannot accidentally discharge a glock ,but you can most definitely negligently discharge it . Harnser Grandfather clock? Case clock? Alarm clock? Have you got a dodgy keyboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Perhaps it's a cynical plan to scare kids with guns to prevent them joining gangs in later life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 the glock 17 also has two internal safety mechanisms to prevent nd's-hence its makers name-'the safe pistol'. somebodies derriere is well and truly in the sling over this. not the best day for our law enforcement chaps, as it appears via the BBC new site, that a CS spray has been discharged in front of some very young kiddies. in my experience, only two things cause an ND,firstly being a slack numpty and forgetting the basic five principals (military/police) of handling weapons or secondly, being a delta,india,charlie,kilo and fooling about. at least the lass was ok and not bleeding out as the title might suggest. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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