chris1961 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Heard stories about them we're they realy that bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Oh yes!!!!!!! They were one of the first cartridges I fired ( along with paper cased Sellier and Bellot). The only thing you could be sure about was that most went bang.....it was anyone's guess what the bloody things were loaded with. I've shot at pigeons sitting above me in the tree and not taken a single feather out or dislodged any twigs and the next shot you'd vapourise the bird and take down the bough it was sitting on. They were different colour cases depending on shot size ( white were 6 and black were 7 I think?) Then once you got home, you had to call the local chimney sweep to clean your barrels. Most clay grounds banned them. Edited March 4, 2015 by Suffolkngood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 NO. whatever you have heard they were a lot worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 They were somewhere between awful and horrendous depending on which box you brought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nothing wrong with them clay's turned to balls of smoke. Real cheap price. Nice big soft primers. Left a few flakes of powder in barrels, and rather louder than most cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Would like to try some one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Fired 10s of 1000s of them many years ago, good cheap loud cartridges!! Kept the pigeons on the move! Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Used plastic cases ones under the moon for wigeon onyone, the flash was blinding and singed the ducks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem708 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I still have some! I'm sure they are loaded with a mix of powders as they are quite punchy but at the same time the flame that comes out of the barrel is just something else They were cheap and good fun. If you could not hit the target you singed it :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 brilliant cartridges! I used them for years, if they still sold them i would still buy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) If you do a search for baikal cartridges there are several threads on them. these threads are a good read. It seems that they came from different plants. I tried the pink ones and they were briliant. If they were available I would buy them now. The black ones were like an anti tank shell. Six foot long flash that lit the whole area up when roosting. They apeared to be using old newspaper to make the wads out of and the confettti would flutter down out of the sky. Some of it still glowing. Jumbo jets were fair game. I couldn't use them in my gun which was an AyA 25 and I traded them with a mate who used them in a Franchi hunter. They didn't half work that long recoil auto. they would take anything, rat to an elephant. Edited March 4, 2015 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Still have a couple of S & B paper cased 6's. I recently took the Baikal and S & B to local shooting ground for their display case. After the Eley explosion, they were the only things we could get. I still have 2 of the wooden cases they packed 250 in. They were made as well as the guns too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 They were great fun. The 1970s was a different era, very few people bought cartridges by the thousand and the standard stuff was pretty unremarkable. Eley were predominant, with cartridges such as the paper-cased "Trapshooting" , or the plastic-cased "Super Trap" with the new Plaswad. Many people bought cartridges from ironmongers or local small gun and tackle shops, Eley Grand Prix, number six shot, was ubiquitous, cartridges were comparatively expensive, especially when compared to modern bulk- buying. Russia was then part of the USSR and saw a market for cheap ammo. These cartridges came in boxes of ten, packed inside metal tins of (?) 200, the tin came with a big metal opening key, just like a sardine can. No sophisticated plastic wads, just some odd fibrous wad ( described as felt) which was variable and left a cloud of confetti on firing, and a huge charge of diamond flake powder. Massive, massive bang on firing and a huge muzzle flash. You could always recognise the distinctive blast signature if anyone was using them at a shoot, many people disliked them and they were generally frowned upon. They disappeared with the collapse of the Soviet Union. As a matter of interest, the later cartridges were much better. The Czechoslovakian Sellier and Bellot were always high quality, dissected samples revealed good, even shot and waxed felt wads, a bit thumpy, but basically good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'VE GOT TO TRY THESE THEY SOUND SCARY ANYONE GOT ANY FOR SALE OR GOT ANY INFO WHERE TO GET SOME FROM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 They were great fun. The 1970s was a different era, very few people bought cartridges by the thousand and the standard stuff was pretty unremarkable. Eley were predominant, with cartridges such as the paper-cased "Trapshooting" , or the plastic-cased "Super Trap" with the new Plaswad. Many people bought cartridges from ironmongers or local small gun and tackle shops, Eley Grand Prix, number six shot, was ubiquitous, cartridges were comparatively expensive, especially when compared to modern bulk- buying. Russia was then part of the USSR and saw a market for cheap ammo. These cartridges came in boxes of ten, packed inside metal tins of (?) 200, the tin came with a big metal opening key, just like a sardine can. No sophisticated plastic wads, just some odd fibrous wad ( described as felt) which was variable and left a cloud of confetti on firing, and a huge charge of diamond flake powder. Massive, massive bang on firing and a huge muzzle flash. You could always recognise the distinctive blast signature if anyone was using them at a shoot, many people disliked them and they were generally frowned upon. They disappeared with the collapse of the Soviet Union. As a matter of interest, the later cartridges were much better. The Czechoslovakian Sellier and Bellot were always high quality, dissected samples revealed good, even shot and waxed felt wads, a bit thumpy, but basically good stuff. <script pagespeed_no_defer="">//=d.offsetWidth&&0>=d.offsetHeight)a=!1;else{c=d.getBoundingClientRect();var f=document.body;a=c.top+("pageYOffset"in window?window.pageYOffset:(document.documentElement||f.parentNode||f).scrollTop);c=c.left+("pageXOffset"in window?window.pageXOffset:(document.documentElement||f.parentNode||f).scrollLeft);f=a.toString()+","+c;b.b.hasOwnProperty(f)?a=!1:(b.b[f]=!0,a=a<=b.e.height&&c<=b.e.width)}a&&(b.a.push(e),b.d[e]=!0)};p.prototype.checkImageForCriticality=function(b){b.getBoundingClientRect&&q(this,b)};h("pagespeed.CriticalImages.checkImageForCriticality",function(b){n.checkImageForCriticality(b)});h("pagespeed.CriticalImages.checkCriticalImages",function(){r(n)});var r=function(b){b.b={};for(var d=["IMG","INPUT"],a=[],c=0;c=a.length+e.length&&(a+=e)}b.g&&(e="&rd="+encodeURIComponent(JSON.stringify(s())),131072>=a.length+e.length&&(a+=e),d=!0);t=a;if(d){c=b.f;b=b.h;var f;if(window.XMLHttpRequest)f=new XMLHttpRequest;else if(window.ActiveXObject)try{f=new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")}catch(k){try{f=new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP")}catch(u){}}f&&(f.open("POST",c+(-1==c.indexOf("?")?"?":"&")+"url="+encodeURIComponent(b)),f.setRequestHeader("Content-Type","application/x-www-form-urlencoded"),f.send(a))}}},s=function(){var b={},d=document.getElementsByTagName("IMG");if(0==d.length)return{};var a=d[0];if(!("naturalWidth"in a&&"naturalHeight"in a))return{};for(var c=0;a=d[c];++c){var e=a.getAttribute("pagespeed_url_hash");e&&(!(e in b)&&0=b[e].k&&a.height>=b[e].j)&&(b[e]={rw:a.width,rh:a.height,ow:a.naturalWidth,oh:a.naturalHeight})}return b},t="";h("pagespeed.CriticalImages.getBeaconData",function(){return t});h("pagespeed.CriticalImages.Run",function(b,d,a,c,e,f){var k=new p(b,d,a,e,f);n=k;c&&m(function(){window.setTimeout(function(){r(k)},0)})});})();pagespeed.CriticalImages.Run('/mod_pagespeed_beacon','http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=7887c85c3c6bb2dd5bedc3f309138b12&app=forums&module=ajax§ion=topics&do=mqquote&t=307091,l8PuqRhht8,true,false,QS0l3wa2leE'); //]]></script>&&0
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