armsid Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 any one buying a deisel vw with "low" emmisions how will it end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Hopefully with a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 If you consider the VW situation in a different light then all they have done is manufacture vehicles that pass a set of tests to the very best of the vehicles ability? I'm guessing that, if you were really concerned about your cars emissions, then the total emissions per, say 1000 miles, are available? Tin hat on ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Wot i don't understand is why do they not fail MOT's if so polluting? According to some papers meant to be 40 times the legal limit in USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Wot i don't understand is why do they not fail MOT's if so polluting? According to some papers meant to be 40 times the legal limit in USA Because the annual MOT test is different to the much stricter US test, which itself is only used on new cars, I believe. Plus we don't check NOx on the MOT, just particulates and CO2, although I don't know the full details. I think the upshot may well be greater restrictions on diesel vehicles in cities, or better particulate filters on new cars, but probably not for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Mines just passed the MOT I won't buy anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Germany wanted to crack the U.S. Car market, Japan found a way that stopped them. Germany doesn't have that many viable electric/eco friendly options, Japan does. Got to love a conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Mines just passed the MOT I won't buy anything else Probably best keep this one odds are its going to halve in value with the press surrounding vw. Be a shame if they go bust over it which seems like it could be more likely the more this goes on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wot i don't understand is why do they not fail MOT's if so polluting? According to some papers meant to be 40 times the legal limit in USA The mot doesn't test for nox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Whats the problem? the engines had to pass a test and they did. They did nothing different to any other car manufacturer in all probability. The rules were badly worded but they were also set by people who had no real understanding of what was involved they are saying now. This has all the hallmarks of a stitch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 VW have got a new company train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Probably best keep this one odds are its going to halve in value with the press surrounding vw. Can't see that, it will only be the newer ones that potentially would be affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 whilst they are at it it would be good to get a bit more honesty on mpg claims too.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 It wasn't an mot style test they cheated on but the test that allows you to sell your vehicles into that market, the vehicles software was designed specifically to change the engine operating parameters under the circumstances of that test then revert to normal in daily use, MPG tests all over the world are done with the car never achieving boost on the turbo so they drink much less fuel and give lower emissions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't care about the emissions, I'm wondering how long I have to wait until I can get a cheap one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 whilst they are at it it would be good to get a bit more honesty on mpg claims too.......... EXACTLY! the whole industry is trading on rigged figures, which nobody believes anyway so why has this suddenly become such a big issue? i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't care about the emissions, I'm wondering how long I have to wait until I can get a cheap one.You'll have a long wait. Diesel cars won't magically become cheaper, they are likely to go the other way as manufacturers will have to install expensive filtration systems so they adhere to the regulations. If you have a diesel car, as I do, it won't affect you in the slightest - unless the government decide to change car tax criteria and work out the price using all pollutants and not just CO2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 It wasn't an mot style test they cheated on but the test that allows you to sell your vehicles into that market, the vehicles software was designed specifically to change the engine operating parameters under the circumstances of that test then revert to normal in daily use, MPG tests all over the world are done with the car never achieving boost on the turbo so they drink much less fuel and give lower emissions But do you think they were alone in doing it, or was it an industry wide thing? My car has economy and sports mode, where is the difference in emissions? Quite a lot I would imagine. To be fair, as a man was saying on radio 4, the engine only has to pass the test on the day, thats all the rules said it had to do . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) It'll be interesting to see the outcome of this, I suspect VW will have to recall the vehicles and re-flash the ECU with the parameters that pass the tests. they're already admitted cheating tests in Europe too so I imagine the fines being quiet hefty (although it wouldn't surprise me if the European fine is a small 'green' goodwill gesture). The USA (and especially California) will be chasing as much money as possible and god only knows how daft it will get with the blame culture and lawyers over there (neighbours suing each other!!) I do see a market for custom mappings to remove the stock settings (depending on how these affect the general running of the car compared to the new 'approved' settings) but if this catches on then that'll be another side of the industry that is hit (there's already been talks of banning none approved after market parts), The worst possible outcome for the average driver would be a full spectrum of gas readings as part of the MOT and tax band reclassification based on these every year. Edited September 25, 2015 by Deker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Who honestly buys a car with the top priority been low emissions I would have though performance, & what bells & whistles it had would be the order of the day. Vw has been hung out to dry with this, breaks the ice before a few more manufactures get rumbled. , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Can't speak for others but when I was involved with emissions compliance at Ford they were diligent of avoiding anything that could remotely be construed as a defeat device against any of the CARB or Euro emission cycle tests. The defeat device goes back to when GM used the bonnet switch to determine that the bonnet was up with the car on rollers and therefore running an drive cycle - all these tests are performed with the bonnet up (or removed)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I run a 2006 Seat Altea FR, 2.0 VW diesel engine 170BHP, £205 vehicle tax, CO2 emissions167 g/km Bro in law runs a 2014 Seat Leon FR 2.0 VW diesel engine 184BHP £20 vehicle tax, CO2 emissions106 g/km I know his is newer but really!! £185 per year difference in road tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I run a 2006 Seat Altea FR, 2.0 VW diesel engine 170BHP, £205 vehicle tax, CO2 emissions167 g/km Bro in law runs a 2014 Seat Leon FR 2.0 VW diesel engine 184BHP £20 vehicle tax, CO2 emissions106 g/km I know his is newer but really!! £185 per year difference in road tax? This is the issue, it could be that the owners of the effected vehicles (or VW) have to pay the backdated road tax based on the real emissions, the question is once VW pay their fine who covers the difference going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I would imagine he has a claim against the dealer as he was attracted by the low road tax as well as the performance, Chose the diesel over the petrol because of the economy and tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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