pinfireman Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Kier Stamer would be my man. How to shake off the roots and find the centre ground? I know let's lurch to the right make a mess of things and have a back lash to the centre. ANOTHER BARRISTER? You are joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Especially if they get all their "facts" from Murdoch and Dacre. Although, even they can't hide the state of play: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3684282/Sombre-data-sends-UK-10-yr-government-bond-yield-new-low.html "The yield of Britain's benchmark 10-year government bonds hit another record low on Monday as a batch of data painting a sombre outlook for the British economy sent investors scrambling for safe-haven assets such as gilts. The yield on 10-year gilts fell to as low as 0.710 percent - almost half its level on June 23, when Britons voted to leave the European Union, confounding investors' expectations and raising concerns about Britain's economic resilience." and the following day the FTSE 100, FTSE 250, and the £ all climbed.....and exports are starting to boom, as more orders flood in, since the £ fell....more orders. more jobs! Granett - your dismay at the Referendum result is becoming a bit desperate. Just let it go - the public have voted - live with it. He can,t.....it,s his entire being......he needs misery to comfort himself. Granett - you are needed on another thread - "No good news allowed". It is about good news that is being supressed, following Brexit. We need you to pour cold water on this news quickly, before people start thinking Brexit was already working. A reflection on the quality of the UK Government since the mid 90's perhaps? Especiallt the period 1997 to 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 By that "rationale" Carney's efforts post-Brexit to steady the ship are working towards making him less credible!? Half the time brexiteers say if it works out Remainers will be shown to have been wrong, and the other half, you insist they do everything they can to fix the problems created by Brexit! No doubt we can fully expect a full shirking of any responsibility on behalf of brexiteers when anything that goes wrong will be the fault of immigrants, Remainers not committing hard enough, the EU not playing fair etc. Why not? It would probably be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Thing is, we're still in the EU and will be for about 2 years, so whilst there's market uncertainty with the notice to quit, nothing much has really changed, and indeed the early over-reaction of the markets is reversing with Sterling climbing back up and stock prices still quite healthy. The announcement of a new PM has helped calm the markets and things ought to steadily improve until such time as Article 50 is triggered when all the doom and gloom merchants and economists will talk the economy back down again. We'll have a repeat of what's just happened before new trade deals (however good or bad) happen after which things will calm themselves again. Meantime, with the deflated pound, investment in UK goods will likely continue increasing, and once trade deals happen, investment in Sterling will happen before the pound, eventually, rises above its current position. It may never recover to where it was, (unlikely anyway) but it should stabilise. Things will work out and meantime we're out of that mad-house run by fanatics hell bent on forcing a new EU Government into power. Very well said....according to the chairman of JCB, exports are rising, order books are filling, and more jobs are being created....can,t be all bad, can it? China has indicated it wants a trade deal, India and Brazil are showing interest, our REAL friends in New Zealand and Australia are happy we are out.....lets face it, there are almost 200 countries in the world, and the EU is only 27....and more than half of those are being propped up economically by the rest! Best thing we ever did was to vote OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I can't see Boris lasting long in that role. I think this is a case of having to give him something and better that he's 'out and about' touring foreign countries and fluffing up trade deals than left to his own devices at Westminster and having time to plot. Eventually he'll make a big enough boo-boo to lose the position and be relegated to the back benches once again. Then cue the return of Osborne (he really wanted that role for himself from what has been said). You under-estimate Boris....however, I would like him to have got the Home Office.....maybe he would buy some more water cannon, and flush away some of the dross that is on our streets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Thank **** we voted to leave and now we have a strong leader with some Brexiteers in solid positions to make the most of this wonderful oportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Thank **** we voted to leave and now we have a strong leader with some Brexiteers in solid positions to make the most of this wonderful oportunity! And if they don't the strong leader will sack 'em and claim that is was all their fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 As bold as I thought. Sorry didn't mean to make you cry 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 You under-estimate Boris....however, I would like him to have got the Home Office.....maybe he would buy some more water cannon, and flush away some of the dross that is on our streets? He is an intelligent man but he deploys it in very odd ways and frequently gaffs. Globally we are seen as a joke or unstable by many but we have just reinforced idea with BJ as Foreign Secretary. Expect trouble and embarrassment ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Globally we are seen as a joke or unstable by many How many? I didn't realise there had been a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 How many? I didn't realise there had been a poll. You know how well we trust the polls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I demand another poll where we are taken seriously and admired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Johnny Foreigner doesn't know what to make of a true British eccentric........they are in for a rude awakening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) What difference would it make to you ? He's had a go at so many professions that if it weren't for his strength of reasoning I'd guess he must be a cardiac surgeon or equally worthy role. I'm interested to see what he considers so worthy as to be above all else. Are you waiting for him to say 'Im a professional racist' so you could say 'BOOM!' again ? Your line of reasoning is bizarre - someone displays racist rationale in their arguments for Brexit, and I'm criticised for highlighting it as clear evidence for the racist basis for a large proportion of the brexit vote. Truly bizarre. At what point are you going to realise that Brexit is not going to be the end of the world ,and could actually be a good thing for this country ? When it is. I won't hold my breath. At what point are you going to realise that the EU has not got the good of the people as its mission ? When it's proved to be the case? Again, no breath holding. The dark predictions of the Remainians are not materialising,how do you feel about that ? It's 3 weeks after the vote. Art 50 is still yet to be triggered. Even despite that, are there not enough signs for you yet? Just because someone says something, doesnt mean its true,surely you should know that ? What are you referring to? So theres a few questions for you, lets see what dismissive answers (thats if you even have the guts to answer) you come up with for those. Whatever the outcome of Brexit in terms of trade agreements etc the immediate and demonstrable damage already done is the clearly foreseeable emboldenment of racists and the harm to our global reputation:- "Great Britain or ‘Little England’? ‘Brexit’ Vote Revives an Old Tension" - The New York Times "BRITISH LOSE RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT AMERICANS ARE DUMBER" - The New Yorker Sorry didn't mean to make you cry Another valuable contribution from 12gauge82 I see. Edited July 14, 2016 by Granett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Hold up... Grannet, So you are suggesting that voting brexit makes people racists??? Are you actually reading what is dribbling out of you mind!!! Alot of brexit votes came from migrants already living in this country!!!! Are they now racist to themselves as most current migrants voted purely on imagration issues Edited July 14, 2016 by ShootingEgg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 clear evidence for the racist basis for a large proportion of the brexit vote. Truly bizarre. I know of no-one who has been asked what they voted or why. What gives you the right to make such a sweeping and stupid statement? It detracts from any point you might make. It is the thinking of a closed and limited mind. You clearly enjoy winding people up. I feel very sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Whatever the outcome of Brexit in terms of trade agreements etc the immediate and demonstrable damage already done is the clearly foreseeable emboldenment of racists and the harm to our global reputation:- "Great Britain or Little England? Brexit Vote Revives an Old Tension" - The New York Times "BRITISH LOSE RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT AMERICANS ARE DUMBER" - The New Yorker Another valuable contribution from 12gauge82 I see. I'm not going to credit yet another allegation from you that I'm racist, I don't care what mud you sling at me, you've proved yourself to be an idiot to everyone on here, as you well know I've made no racist comments and in fact quite the opposite, i guessed your profession as I've met your type before, self righteous, self centred with above all an incredible ability to twist the truth, wouldn't surprise me if you specialise in defence, defending murders and the like twisting the truth and attempting to get them off via a loophole, for the record I've also met several very decent legal professionals to. Oh and don't forget it's not just my +1 contributions but also the times I've mocked you for making a fool of yourself on an unbelievable regularity. Edited July 14, 2016 by 12gauge82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I don't care who laughs at us nor what they think; it's only some journalists opinion, and I think the yanks have some way to go yet before they get their own house in order ( they're gonna vote in Trump for crying out loud!! 😂) so I doubt I'll lose much sleep over a few newspaper headlines. We'll see who's laughing after the totally unsustainable EU project implodes. It wont be too long now, but then I suppose us brexiteers will be blamed for that too. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Scully - expect some admonishing words - in red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Your line of reasoning is bizarre - someone displays racist rationale in their arguments for Brexit, and I'm criticised for highlighting it as clear evidence for the racist basis for a large proportion of the brexit vote. Truly bizarre. Are you serious? One person displays, in your opinion, a racist rationale in their argument for Brexit, and according to you it's 'clear evidence' that a large proportion of Brexit voters are racist? Are you sure you're profession has been guessed at correctly? A barista I could understand, but a barrister... never. Leaving your confusion between the legal profession and serving drinks to one side for a moment maybe you could enlighten us as to exactly how large a proportion of Brexit voters are, in your opinion, racist? A ball park percentage figure would suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Scully - expect some admonishing words - in red.Red is my favourite colour. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 The emboldenment of racism:- http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075?edition=uk 12gauge82, to borrow Rewulf's phrase, I see you still lack the guts to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Brexiteers are not racist they are just smart enough to realise the ship is sinking and now would be a good time to be heading for the lifeboat. Remainers think that as the ship is so much bigger than the lifeboat it would be better to stay with the ship even though the stern is now sticking out of the water. Edited July 14, 2016 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 The emboldenment of racism:- http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075?edition=uk 12gauge82, to borrow Rewulf's phrase, I see you still lack the guts to answer. Are you actually quoting the Huffington Post as a non biased, factual source of information ? What credibility you had, has just gone in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 The emboldenment of racism:- http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075?edition=uk Is that your evidence? The Huffington Post. I'll have a skinny mocha chocca latte please waiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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