scotslad Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I think hammer guns would be, if not more dangerous than semi auto's ... earlier posters commented about O/U's with extended chokes pillow casing birds at 20 ft Unfortunately you witness that at all shoots (even with a pair of 50k Purdeys!) If a shotgun is choked to 1/4 and 1/2, then the spread will be the same whether its from a powder burner to a Krieghoff! Unfortunately the Berk at the end of the trigger should know better as to when to pull it. Also, how do we know a £40 SxS is safe and in proof? I wouldn't fancy the pain from shooting an ill fitting 28'' with no butt pad and 32gram cartridges. BUT if it 'respects' the birds, that's OK then.. To be legally sold it must be in proof and safe, chances are it will be just as ill fitting as ur SA is unless ur SA's stock was custom fitted to the shooter. There are penty of fairly tidy guns at knock down prices as no one wants them nowadays, u'd pick up a fairly tidy/new baikail for that money, even older O/U aren't that expensive if ur not buying a top brand. Just modern life/way of things no one really wants 2nd hand gear anymore. My prevoius sxs was a side lock in good nick for £300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Had the beaters shoot yesterday and one of the beaters sons turns up with a bloody semi auto would any of you allow it No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 If a SxS kicks it ain't a good fit. My sarasqueta has no more recoil than any of my OU. As for tradition, I too am a full tweed breeks garters brigade. Tradition must be upheld my good man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Personally I'd be ashamed to turn a lad away from his beaters day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 If a SxS kicks it ain't a good fit. My sarasqueta has no more recoil than any of my OU. As for tradition, I too am a full tweed breeks garters brigade. Tradition must be upheld my good man True, but those suggesting you can simply whizz down the local shop, possibly on the morning of a shoot when they find out, and buy a £40 gun aren't going to be getting it fitted. A shoot should be making the rules clear to everyone well in advance if there's no room for negotiation. Most just presume the unwritten "rules" are known by everyone including those new to the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Personally I'd be ashamed to turn a lad away from his beaters day. This I agree with. On a beaters day or a boundary day clothing tradition is not necessary (would prefer an effort was made though) as for guns well I suppose if OU are now so common what harm is there in a SA on a beaters day, as has been said earlier bad gun handling is bad gun handling and there is plenty of that with SxS and OU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev1gun Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 It's not the type of Gun that's dangerous, it's the operator of said type of Gun that's the problem. I have seen some very dangerous people with break barrel guns, and even more dangerous after Lunch, when they have had a skinful, but you never see the Keeper worry about that, which IMHO is far more dangerous than a responsible young lad starting out with his semi Auto, because that's all he can afford. I try to take a different approach and let them use a decent u/o then, when the next beaters day comes round they have got themselves a u/o by then, out of choice. That's how i started. Don't put the lad off before he has proven his worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Personally I don't see the original question as being primarily one of safety! I happily use a S/A for Wildfowling! I have complete confidence in my safe use of it.....as someone else pointed out it isn't the gun that's unsafe..........it's the idiot that handles it in an unsafe manner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Personally I'd be ashamed to turn a lad away from his beaters day.As would I . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyh Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 As would I . So would I Don't forget .. This years disenchanted young beater could turn out to be the next Chris Packham!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowdy Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I have shot lots of driven days with people who used semi autos I have never had or seen any problems with said guns. If your a safe shot your a safe shot whatever you use. I have also been known to take my SA on a few betters/clean up days and regularly use one for my rough shooting. I think a lot of you are just looking to put people off shooting instead of helping them as they are starting out in the sport ***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 As for the booz thing i dont touch a drop when i am beating i see so many drinking on shoot day even beaters alcohol in my opinioon and shooting dont mix no matter how much or little they have and that is tradition to drink on shoot day so i dont think all tradition is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Had the beaters shoot yesterday and one of the beaters sons turns up with a bloody semi auto would any of you allow it So he's not a beater with the semi auto he's a beaters son I assume that the father will stand with his son giving up his shooting for the day Question should he be shooting on the day ? We assume he's young ? Should the parent take a little bit of responsibility here ? I assume he asked if it was ok to bring him? He could have asked if it was ok to use the semi As I said in my earlier post I would have given him my gun and let him crack on explaining it's about choice of choke with the two barrels something impossible in a single barrel gun Oh and clean it at end of day However there's a lot of things that need answering before we form to big a opinion on this I personally wouldn't play golf in football boots or play tennis with a badminton racket Or go hunting to hounds in a anorak So why would you go game shooting with inappropriate equipment? Not sure how easy it is to check your barrels for blockages on a semi Slightly different environment to a clay ground mud possibly snow obstacles to cross Sadly times are changing Anyway just a few thoughts on this thread All the best Of On a foot note On our beaters shoots it is beaters only two practice clay shoots for anyone shooting and a briefing two weeks before there Day at the game This allows us to gauge there ability and any extra help they may need before they try it on live game All questions are answered and there is always help and advice for the novice or inexperienced We actively encourage youngsters and expect them to have a similar day to us along with any that put in the effort to make a pleasant day All parents are recommended to buy there sons/ daughter a tie and shirt for Xmas 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Old Farrier As Punch and Judy would say, 'That's the way to do it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He never set one foot on the shoot to do any beating he is about 25 just turned up on the shoot with this bloody auto other guns didn't go much on itThe father is I'm the big know all type and don't know **** All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He never set one foot on the shoot to do any beating he is about 25 just turned up on the shoot with this bloody auto other guns didn't go much on it The father is I'm the big know all type and don't know **** All This changes things in my opinion, he should of been told to do one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He never set one foot on the shoot to do any beating he is about 25 just turned up on the shoot with this bloody auto other guns didn't go much on it The father is I'm the big know all type and don't know **** All Few ground rules for next season perhaps would be in order Beaters at sensitive creatures And hate sharing there hard earned day 8 out of 10 days to qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He never set one foot on the shoot to do any beating he is about 25 just turned up on the shoot with this bloody auto other guns didn't go much on it The father is I'm the big know all type and don't know **** All Just goes to show if you drop standards and don't insist rules are followed, someone will always spoil things for the others by selfishly pushing the boundaries and taking liberties.......if I was shoot captain.........neither father nor son would have shot that day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just goes to show if you drop standards and don't insist rules are followed, someone will always spoil things for the others by selfishly pushing the boundaries and taking liberties.......if I was shoot captain.........neither father nor son would have shot that day! Me neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 This changes things in my opinion, he should of been told to do oneAgreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Another thing to the fathers a big drinker and the captain puts a tab on in the pub afterwards The big man is drinking pint after pint of Guinness cos its free then is ****** Afterwards this is what ****** me off You know the sort I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Another thing to the fathers a big drinker and the captain puts a tab on in the pub afterwards The big man is drinking pint after pint of Guinness cos its free then is ****** Afterwards this is what ****** me off You know the sort I mean I'd be asking him to pick up the tab next time unless he is a fantastic beater Edited January 24, 2017 by shoot and be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Another thing to the fathers a big drinker and the captain puts a tab on in the pub afterwards The big man is drinking pint after pint of Guinness cos its free then is ****** Afterwards this is what ****** me offYou know the sort I mean I remember one of those...........a few years ago in the hotel the evening before an awayday shoot, we all (8 guns) put a twenty behind the bar (there were wives and girlfriends present) and one greedy **** was ordering and quaffing various spirits one after the other all evening! he probably drank more than three/four others guns put together?..............needless to say the selfish greedy toe rag wasn't invited to shoot with us again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 He never set one foot on the shoot to do any beating he is about 25 just turned up on the shoot with this bloody auto other guns didn't go much on it The father is I'm the big know all type and don't know **** All I might have checked to see if he knew his way home, then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 It is very simple to check for blockages on a self loader after removing all cartridges. There was a time when OU's were frowned upon for driven shooting. If you're a stickler for tradition how far back do you want to go? Flintlock? Pin fire? Percussion? I really can't ever see the self loader replacing the double ejector in this country, but there are reasons why some use them. Each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts