Nicola Sturgeon Referendum News

[yod dropper]

Firstly it was billed as a "once in a generation" referendum not a yearly event!

 

I think this might have something to do with the life expectancy.

[saddler]

 

I think this might have something to do with the life expectancy.

... their national animal has more hopes of winning the next Derby than WeeJimmy does of being the Mrs. MacMerkle for the SNP faithful

[scotslad]

Not quite the same Pernod! The EU Referendum was not driven by those that wanted to leave the EU, so a simple majority rightly carried the day.....another Scottish independence referendum would be again driven by the SNP whose sole agenda seems to be for Scotland to leave the Union! So Westminster (on behalf of the rest of the union) should require proof that a significant number (75%?) of the Scottish electorate agree with the nationalists and wish to leave, before any leave vote is recognised........failure to reach the required percentage in favour of leaving, would result in the status quo being maintained!

 

I think the SNP should hold a referendum asking the people of Scotland if they want another Scottish independence referendum!

 

Struggle to understand the thinking here, why 1 referendum should require a 50% vote yet another should requirw a 75%, surely both referendums were driven by the exact same motive, the government never thought either had a chance of winning so allowed them to shut snp and UKIP/eurosceptic members of tory party..

 

To be honest i think both refernendums should of had a higher % of vote to win, as has been seen with brexit it is a very big hit to take for the remain camp as things will change massively when the vote was as close as it was.

 

Must admit i always see a massive ammount of irony and hypocrosy on these sort of threads, considering this forum is pretty much in favour of brexit, most of the exact same arguments/principles can be argued to some degree about scottish independence, so its a good thing for UK but a bad thing for scotland. Even at the time it was labelled by westminster as a massive mistake for scotland to leave the EU

Even brexit is a big step into the unkown for the uk

 

The other thing snp seems to have a bunch of very vocal nutjobs (esp online) that follow it and shout down very loudly anyone with a different opinion, no matter how valid that opinion may be, i often think the pro brexit side on here are very similar and very quick to round on the 'remainers' and shout down anything negative about brexit.

 

 

If i'm being honest the horse has well and truely bolted from the stable now and there is no getting it back, scotland will gain independence sometime in next few decades (most demographics apart from 16-20 yr olds and over 65's show a far stronger support for independence)

I only hope that takes alot of steam out off the snp's sails and allows some of the other parties to have a shot at power.

If/when scotland gain independence a lot of the reason for voting for snp will be gone and hopefully they'll fade away

[12gauge82]

 

Struggle to understand the thinking here, why 1 referendum should require a 50% vote yet another should requirw a 75%, surely both referendums were driven by the exact same motive, the government never thought either had a chance of winning so allowed them to shut snp and UKIP/eurosceptic members of tory party..

 

To be honest i think both refernendums should of had a higher % of vote to win, as has been seen with brexit it is a very big hit to take for the remain camp as things will change massively when the vote was as close as it was.

 

Must admit i always see a massive ammount of irony and hypocrosy on these sort of threads, considering this forum is pretty much in favour of brexit, most of the exact same arguments/principles can be argued to some degree about scottish independence, so its a good thing for UK but a bad thing for scotland. Even at the time it was labelled by westminster as a massive mistake for scotland to leave the EU

Even brexit is a big step into the unkown for the uk

 

The other thing snp seems to have a bunch of very vocal nutjobs (esp online) that follow it and shout down very loudly anyone with a different opinion, no matter how valid that opinion may be, i often think the pro brexit side on here are very similar and very quick to round on the 'remainers' and shout down anything negative about brexit.

 

 

If i'm being honest the horse has well and truely bolted from the stable now and there is no getting it back, scotland will gain independence sometime in next few decades (most demographics apart from 16-20 yr olds and over 65's show a far stronger support for independence)

I only hope that takes alot of steam out off the snp's sails and allows some of the other parties to have a shot at power.

If/when scotland gain independence a lot of the reason for voting for snp will be gone and hopefully they'll fade away

I agree with most of this post (I still hope Scotland remains) but understand if the majority want independence nothing should stand in the way, what did annoy me was sturgeon using brexit to fuel her own agenda, she came on TV and told anyone that wanted an independent Scotland to vote remain for the EU, then came on TV hours after the result and said how sad she was that Scotland had voted in and the UK out and how she didn't want that to happen despite the fact that she had help to manipulated that very situation to occur, effectively interfering in the Brexit vote.

[Gunman]

It should be pointed out, because it is not often mentioned, that the SNP want a massive fishery exclusion zone in the North Sea and up the Atlantic coast which will further harm the British fishing industry (what little remains )

If the Scots do get independence and are EU members ,Scottish waters will become an EU resource and liable to quotas being designated to other EU states . She will also have to join the Euro and have her budget OKed by the EU .

[panoma1]

Struggle to understand the thinking here, why 1 referendum should require a 50% vote yet another should requirw a 75%, surely both referendums were driven by the exact same motive, the government never thought either had a chance of winning so allowed them to shut snp and UKIP/eurosceptic members of tory party..

 

To be honest i think both refernendums should of had a higher % of vote to win, as has been seen with brexit it is a very big hit to take for the remain camp as things will change massively when the vote was as close as it was.

 

Must admit i always see a massive ammount of irony and hypocrosy on these sort of threads, considering this forum is pretty much in favour of brexit, most of the exact same arguments/principles can be argued to some degree about scottish independence, so its a good thing for UK but a bad thing for scotland. Even at the time it was labelled by westminster as a massive mistake for scotland to leave the EU

Even brexit is a big step into the unkown for the uk

 

The other thing snp seems to have a bunch of very vocal nutjobs (esp online) that follow it and shout down very loudly anyone with a different opinion, no matter how valid that opinion may be, i often think the pro brexit side on here are very similar and very quick to round on the 'remainers' and shout down anything negative about brexit.

 

 

If i'm being honest the horse has well and truely bolted from the stable now and there is no getting it back, scotland will gain independence sometime in next few decades (most demographics apart from 16-20 yr olds and over 65's show a far stronger support for independence)

I only hope that takes alot of steam out off the snp's sails and allows some of the other parties to have a shot at power.

If/when scotland gain independence a lot of the reason for voting for snp will be gone and hopefully they'll fade away

 

Ok then let's have a UK wide referendum decided by a simple majority asking the question "Should a region of the UK called Scotland, on the basis that a majority of the Scottish electorate voted to "remain" in the EU, be allowed to break away from the rest of the union and become an independent country?"

 

What next? Because London also voted for "remain" in the EU referendum, should they be allowed to hold a referendum on Independence from the rest of the UK?

[figgy]

There should be no devolution in the U.K. Only one government. Get rid of the lot and move all power back to Westminster where it should be.

[scotslad]

And should the % majority for that be 75% or have u not made up a rule that suits it yet?

Like it or not scotland is a country and not just a region of uk.

After the last vote they have said once a generation or after consitutional change so are within there rights to call/talk about this after the way no campign carried on about europe and made promises in hindsight they shouldn't have.

 

How would u feel if the rest of EU had a vote to kick UK out of the EU? (Obviously before the brexit vote went the way it did)

 

I would of loved to have seen the reaction on here if the brexit vote went the other way by as tight a margin, i'm fairly certain there would be loud calls of a fix etc and i seriously doubt u'd have been so magnamus in defeat as most of the remianers have been.(Ps i did vote to leave before anyone starts)

But i just see massive similarities in the arguments for brexit/independence and the way thoose supporting both behave

 

Both the recent referendums have been fairly close and a 5% swing either way would make a massive difference and a massive difference to everyone no matter if they voted or which way they voted

[panoma1]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the Island of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

Edited March 13, 2017 by panoma1

[IEH]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the country of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

Spot on!

[panoma1]

 

 

Oh and scotslad I almost forgot......if you re-read my post #81 you'll see I suggested the result of a countrywide referendum could be decided by a "simple" majority...........which means it could be decided either way........by just one vote!

Edited March 12, 2017 by panoma1

[Danger-Mouse]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the country of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

 

Scotland is definitely a country, not just a region. Joined to England by an Act of Union, just as N. Ireland is. It, and the other countries that make up the UK are not individual members of the EU simply because the treaty signed by Westminster did not make it that way.

[scotslad]

So do u also consider england just to be a region too? Just the same as cumbria, yorkshire or devon?

 

Or do u consider england is something a bit more than just a region, personally i'd say the second

 

Ps in ur previous post u said some referendums should have a 75% cut off, but it seemed to depend on wot suited ur opinion best.where the cut off should be

As i said all referendums like these that are so important and change lifes so much should have a higher % to be deciding

[poontang]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the country of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

 

What?

 

Great Britain isn't a country at all. It's the name given to the combined countries of England, Scotland and Wales (Yes, Scotland really is a country, not a region, and yes I know Wales is a Principality). If you throw Northern Ireland into the mix you have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK).

Are you seriously suggesting Scotland isn't a country in its own right?

[panoma1]

Scotland, England, Wales, NI are referred to as countries but they are not sovereign states, the U.K. Is the sovereign state.

 

A country is I believe, a sovereign state which has a head of state, be it a monarch, president etc, the U.K. has a head of state, individually Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, to the best of my knowledge doesn't! So on what basis do they individually qualify to be called countries?

 

As I understand it, the regions of England, Scotland and Wales constitute the Island of Great Britain which together with Northern Ireland make up the sovereign state of United Kingdom.

 

I understand the counter arguements........but that does not stimulate debate!

[Fisheruk]

Mibee most scots do see it but when u read the ever so regular threads like this with the same posters all from south of the border telling us wot we should think/do.the more inclined u are to vote yes just to shut u all up. Not a good reason to place a vote but when have scots ever been rational?

 

If any of u knew much about scots mentality then teling them wot to think is the last thing to do (even if u are actually right)

 

Rimfire it didn't cost any of ur money, last referendum was funded by holyrood, no doubt out of the education or NHS budgets.

 

With labour a busted flush down south so potentially looking at decades of english tory government that might be enough to sway the vote.Possibly breiit too might/might not add a few votes.

Althou 1 of the founding fathers of SNP has came out saying he wants to stay out of EU and highlighting the gross hypocrocy of moaning about english rule to jump in bed with EU

Also PM May looks and behaves similar to iron maggie, if a tory lady pm tries to law down the law it will play right into snp's hands.

The Snp spin machine is almost unstoppable and nothing ever seems to stick on them no matter how bad schools/hospitals are doing or wot other scandals there msp's are getting up to.

No one ever thought it would of been as close last time and that was with salmond leading it who was widely despised even in scotland, sturgeon is far more popular up here. God knows wot'll happen, talking about it being next autumn seems crazy to have it before the brexit is all settled and we know wot were left with

 

Must admit i've never agreed with devolution as just paying for another level of parasites, should of been full independence or nothing.

Scotslad, how much money does Scotland get from the UK government?

The referendum cost millions.

As a Scot you might not like hearing the truth, but truth is better than hearing spin which tickles your ears and egos.

Edited March 12, 2017 by Fisheruk

[poontang]

Scotland, England, Wales, NI are referred to as countries but they are not sovereign states, the U.K. Is the sovereign state.

 

A country is I believe, a sovereign state which has a head of state, be it a monarch, president etc, the U.K. has a head of state, individually Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, to the best of my knowledge doesn't! So on what basis do they individually qualify to be called countries?

 

 

 

 

Because they are countries.

The UK is a sovereign unitary state, as opposed to a federal state. In other words all four countries are governed as a single state. The monarch rules in the same way.

[panoma1]

So do u also consider england just to be a region too? Just the same as cumbria, yorkshire or devon?

 

Or do u consider england is something a bit more than just a region, personally i'd say the second

 

Ps in ur previous post u said some referendums should have a 75% cut off, but it seemed to depend on wot suited ur opinion best.where the cut off should be

As i said all referendums like these that are so important and change lifes so much should have a higher % to be deciding

If put on the spot I can't consider England a country in its own right any more than Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, it is merely a constituent part of the sovereign state of the UK.

I have already explained why I believe a Scottish independence referendum and yes, some other decisions should not be decided by a simple majority and why it is perfectly acceptable for some others to be decided by this means.

[sako751sg]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the country of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

 

Thats up there with some of the all time great tarded quotes on PW.Congratulations.

[Flashman]

Nice side tracking onto constitutional law - all this shows is that nobody really cares about the status of each country. Further, all this was covered last time.

 

And that's the point - we did all this. Scotland voted to stay in. Using Brexit is the reason for another go is a sham: if not that, then the price of groats, getting walloped at rugby or some other made-up trigger point.

 

I say go - we can buy Scotland back in the fire sale once the SNP bankrupt the country. Just like 1707...

[figgy]

Why buy it back again we already bought it. If we don't want it andvthey want to out let it go for good. If not the people of Scotland should be telling the Crankies to shut up.

[Flashman]

Nice side tracking onto constitutional law - all this shows is that nobody really cares about the status of each country. Further, all this was covered last time.

 

And that's the point - we did all this. Scotland voted to stay in. Using Brexit is the reason for another go is a sham: if not that, then the price of groats, getting walloped at rugby or some other made-up trigger point.

 

I say go - we can buy Scotland back in the fire sale once the SNP bankrupt the country. Just like 1707...

 

 

Why buy it back again we already bought it. If we don't want it andvthey want to out let it go for good. If not the people of Scotland should be telling the Crankies to shut up.

 

Good point.

 

Will Scotland pay us to let them go..?

[JDog]

Thats up there with some of the all time great tarded quotes on PW.Congratulations.

Agreed.

[wandringstar]

Socialism is a disaster, its been tried, tried again, rebranded, renamed, and the end result is always the same, the snp are hard left activists, forget everything else, this is what they are, they become extremely wealthy whilst their countries crumble, they are beyond deluded, they preach the same mantra right until the end, they are a disgrace. Check out every country that is socialist, or has been, check out those that have rejected it. Start with venezuala and Zimbabwe, then see how Singapore rejected it and chose capitalism.

 

Its a sign of madness to keep trying the same failed ideas and then expect a different outcome.

[panoma1]

I think you'll find Scotland is but a region within the Island of Great Britain. If England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries why are they not already individual stand alone members of the EU? Therefore surely they must be regions of the UK?.........As only the UK is a member of the EU.

I have edited this post and replaced the word "country" with the word "Island" which is what I should have typed! Lol"

Thats up there with some of the all time great tarded quotes on PW.Congratulations.

Just for you I have edited the obvious mistake out of my posting!