Wasabi Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 So I have a rabbit problem on a field that is as flat as a bowling green. The only spot I can shoot from is in line with two houses 1200 yards away from where I would be. Would you guys consider this a safe shot with a 17hmr? I would be shooting at a slight downward angle from a track next to the field and the rabbits are about 100 yards from the firing point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Use a guilly suit and lie out on the ground downwind or stalk up to them using night vision...you will be able to get a few yards from them and get them with an air rifle Edited September 27, 2017 by psycho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Fac .25 cal air rifle running around 45 fpe .mine is good for 90 yds .though it has to be calm 75 yds if there is some wind . But your fallout risk is much reduced . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 This airgun wouldnt travel half that distance even at optimum angle of elevation. And much less at ground level . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 If you have to ask then I would suggest no. Air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 What about using snares if there are no cattle sheep about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't know the field or the possible shots, so not going to say its safe or not, but 1200m is a long way away (3/4 mile), assuming u have a back stop/ shooting into the ground even at a low angle. I haven't got a clue if safe or not and does sound dodgy but might even depend on something like soil, hard,stony or soft? Place a high seat or build some sort of hide to the side to create a better/safer shooting angle. But even if u change the angle a ricochet can go off at any angle so is it really any safer? Do u not know anyone experienced u could take out and show the field? Or they might give u an idea of other ways u could go about getting the rabbits. as already ben said field craft, lamping or using full moon and no lamp. even a long net (althou really a thing of the past nowadys) If u have a serious problem rabbit drop boxes work very well but do need u to rabbit fence some areas so not a cheap solution but I've seen them clear up some real big numbers of rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Scotland Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Build a hid between the house and the rabbits and shoot the other way . The hide could be right in the middle and you can then use a catapult 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Getting elevated sounds a better option to me Edited September 30, 2017 by kingo15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 People do the maths, you would need 252 ft of elevation to get the bullet to the houses at a final energy of 7ftlbs on arrival if indeed it made it. As he is shooting a very frangible bullet from a track down to the targets, there is no risk to the houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 People do the maths, you would need 252 ft of elevation to get the bullet to the houses at a final energy of 7ftlbs on arrival if indeed it made it. As he is shooting a very frangible bullet from a track down to the targets, there is no risk to the houses. Must admit to being puzzled as to why people think it's unsafe ! If the houses are a true 1200 yards from firing point there is no way that a ricochet would make it that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Must admit to being puzzled as to why people think it's unsafe ! If the houses are a true 1200 yards from firing point there is no way that a ricochet would make it that far. My thoughts as well, the bullet would ground way before the houses and likely disintegrate if it was a V-Max, but regardless of that, any grounding would dramatically reduce its energy and range. There is the potential issue of a wild shot regardless, which most certainly could reach the houses though. I can't remember the elevation I needed, but I used my HMR at 600yards at Bisley years back, I have a feeling I was aiming at Saturn though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hi chaps In situations similar to this I just turn it round Pretend that it's your house with your family in it and there's someone shooting a hmr at you and your property would you be happy If yes crack on If No then ? To be honest you already know the answer or you wouldn't have to ask Anyway just my thoughts All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Getting elevated sounds a better option to me This is what i would do regardless of the theoretical trajectory. cant you shoot at another angle to eradicate the problem altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 At 1200 yrds you only need to side step and youre not directly in line with the houses anymore! I think Id even struggle to hit a house at 1200yrds even if I aimed at it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Where I shoot on the one farm it's surrounded by the belfry golf course , m42 , 2 other main roads and none are more than 300 yards from the boundary. It's full of safe shots around there. Can you use a high seat ? Then again I have another shoot on a chicken farm and it's just not safe on 25 acres. Edited October 1, 2017 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Getting elevated sounds a better option to me This is what i would do regardless of the theoretical trajectory. cant you shoot at another angle to eradicate the problem altogether. His only chance of reaching a house 1200 yards away with a HMR is a wild shot, nothing about being elevated will stop that! As someone else mentioned, half a side step will shift the house position anyway against a rabbit in HMR range!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 If you aren't sure it isn't safe. Just my attitude anyway. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 If you aren't sure it isn't safe. Just my attitude anyway. David. I don't think anyone is arguing with that, and everyones parameters are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Maximum range fired at 26 degrees is 2006.1 yards arriving with c2.5 ftlbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Maximum range fired at 26 degrees is 2006.1 yards arriving with c2.5 ftlbs. That's enough to kill a half grown rabbit so long as you hit it in the back of the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 That's enough to kill a half grown rabbit so long as you hit it in the back of the head. I couldnt hit a half grown rabbit at 2006 yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 I couldnt hit a half grown rabbit at 2006 yards! I don't have an HMR but apparently you need the 21g bullets for good accuracy over 700 yards or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I don't have an HMR but apparently you need the 21g bullets for good accuracy over 700 yards or so. That's only for hares at 704 yards. Although, come to think of it, it might be better to knock this on the head now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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