Rewulf Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/french-student-took-knife-club-walks-free-magistrate-accepts/ Apparently you can legally carry a weapon in public now, as long as you are 'scared' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 he got away with it, we wont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 What a absolute joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 "Depart from sentencing guidelines." What's the point in guidelines then? Should other people carry knives in case they bump into a criminal frog with a blade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 He was so scared he went for a night out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Obviously remainac judges, talk about a politicised sentence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 It's important to recognise that, this isn't the mean streets of London or some other 'rough' city, its Exeter, which may have its moments, but is hardly a crime capital or, being a student town, particularly foreigner unfriendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 This is an absolute disgrace, these magistrates should be struck off and he should be dealt with by the crown court, in front of a jury of his peers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 If he had stabbed someone, the police would probably have charged his victim for criminal damage for bleeding all over his threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: This is an absolute disgrace, these magistrates should be struck off and he should be dealt with by the crown court, in front of a jury of his peers I think something needs to be done, to clarify the position. You can't carry a knife, or any other weapon on the streets of this country for self defence. I don't care how fearful you are. The whole Brexit argument is just something he thought up to try and wriggle out of it. And to his surprise, it worked. Now others will think it will for them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Can't blame the bloke, blame the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, old man said: Can't blame the bloke, blame the system? I blame them both. Hes committed a crime, for whatever reason, but he knows its illegal to carry a knife for defence, just the same as it is in his own country. Hes caught, and has played the race/foreigner/victim card as his only defence. Using the media fascination with Brexit, and completely made up stats about the rise in attacks on foreign nationals since the referendum. The 'right on' PC magistrates have sucked it up and done their liberal good deed for the day by giving the poor frightened French boy a C.D. Forget about his crime, its the perceived crime of racial discrimination, and fear of violence (That never happened) due to his nationality, thats more important here Surprised they didnt give him some beer money out of public funds too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 A butterfly knife is a prohibited weapon so another thing he could have and should have been done for. Don't we have enough criminals here already without importing them? He's probably out and about tonight tooled up and laughing at how weak our courts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: I think something needs to be done, to clarify the position. You can't carry a knife, or any other weapon on the streets of this country for self defence. I don't care how fearful you are. The whole Brexit argument is just something he thought up to try and wriggle out of it. And to his surprise, it worked. Now others will think it will for them too. There is a documented case from around two or three years ago I think, which I heard reported on the radio, where a young bloke stabbed to death an assailant who had attacked him with a knife. Gang related if I recall, but he didn’t go to jail as it transpired his attacker had made it common knowledge what his intentions were towards the young bloke, who insisted he had then decided to carry a knife with him for his defence. I cant recall what the further outcome was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 56 minutes ago, old man said: Can't blame the bloke, blame the system? Yes you can, he was guilty of carrying a knife in a public place and an illegal knife at that. As for the System, he played it to his advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, walshie said: He's probably out and about tonight tooled up and laughing at how weak our courts are And why wouldn't he. He has been given the go ahead from our courts. I just hope that the CPS appeal the magistrates' decision and take it to crown court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Scully said: There is a documented case from around two or three years ago I think, which I heard reported on the radio, where a young bloke stabbed to death an assailant who had attacked him with a knife. Gang related if I recall, but he didn’t go to jail as it transpired his attacker had made it common knowledge what his intentions were towards the young bloke, who insisted he had then decided to carry a knife with him for his defence. I cant recall what the further outcome was. It is slightly different, because he was attacked, and used 'reasonable ' force to defend his life. There is a precedent in common law for this, which has been clarified and shaken up somewhat since the Tony Martin case. However, if he had been stopped and searched whilst carrying the knife, prior to being attacked, he would have been dealt with accordingly, and I dont believe his defence of 'Theres a man out their who wants to kill me' would have helped him at all. Its an interesting point though. The whole question of self defence in the UK is a strange one, there are many instances of assailants being shot, stabbed ,clubbed, I believe one was shot with an arrow once! But all the weapons used were 'to hand' in their legal uses (I was cleaning my shotgun when ... ) so no charges bought against the law abiding people 'defending' But keep such sporting equipment at the ready, and its a different ball game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It is slightly different, because he was attacked, and used 'reasonable ' force to defend his life. There is a precedent in common law for this, which has been clarified and shaken up somewhat since the Tony Martin case. However, if he had been stopped and searched whilst carrying the knife, prior to being attacked, he would have been dealt with accordingly, and I dont believe his defence of 'Theres a man out their who wants to kill me' would have helped him at all. Its an interesting point though. The whole question of self defence in the UK is a strange one, there are many instances of assailants being shot, stabbed ,clubbed, I believe one was shot with an arrow once! But all the weapons used were 'to hand' in their legal uses (I was cleaning my shotgun when ... ) so no charges bought against the law abiding people 'defending' But keep such sporting equipment at the ready, and its a different ball game. Yes. Totally agree. And to boot, the law is an ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 01/02/2018 at 18:03, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes you can, he was guilty of carrying a knife in a public place and an illegal knife at that. As for the System, he played it to his advantage. If the system was robust the result would have been different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) I despair, I use some serious knifes (10"+ blades) in connection with my business generally, and directly in connection with my business for the Police, but if I took them to the night club or shops they would throw the book at me! Edited February 3, 2018 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 You couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 19 hours ago, Dougy said: You couldn't make it up. They seem able to Dougy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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