old'un Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Airgun sales soar in Germany, are they right to be so paranoid?....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5346947/Airgun-sales-soar-Germany-amid-terror-fears.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Yes, looking at the facts. Crime is up Government and Police are not (seen to be) protecting the public. I'm not sure its just paranoia, people are genuinely frightened, when vast amounts of Immigrants are allowed in to countries, crime by young men goes up in the area's where they reside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Air rifles in Germany are limited to 6 ft/lbs. I expect they intend to bruise their would-be assailants to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 48 minutes ago, walshie said: Air rifles in Germany are limited to 6 ft/lbs. I expect they intend to bruise their would-be assailants to death. And walking down The Linden Strasse with a scoped air rifle is a bit of a give away. But the increase in sales of stun guns is interesting. Does anyone know the type of stun guns they are allowed to carry and what damage they can inflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bobba said: And walking down The Linden Strasse with a scoped air rifle is a bit of a give away. But the increase in sales of stun guns is interesting. Does anyone know the type of stun guns they are allowed to carry and what damage they can inflict? STD stun guns that are ‘contact only’ , as in no taser type projection devices.—- we have them in France too ( even the equivalent of Timpsons in the supermarket sells them). Cause temporary paralysis but I’m not stupid enough ( wife says differently) to try one out. Also available to carry are baton, CS gas and pepper spray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 To my knowledge you don't get granted a carry permit for airguns- however they will grant them for gas guns (much like blank firers but you can load pepper spray rounds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 They could always beat an assailant to death with a heavy old weirauch air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Bobba said: And walking down The Linden Strasse with a scoped air rifle is a bit of a give away. But the increase in sales of stun guns is interesting. Does anyone know the type of stun guns they are allowed to carry and what damage they can inflict? I was jabbed in the thigh with one of those contact stun guns and it was quite unpleasant. Much like a shock from a modern ignition system. But if you see it coming, it’s easy to avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 CS and a claw hammer will make an awesome defence package Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 I work for a Swedish company and some areas are absolutely no go, it’s really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Brad93 said: I work for a Swedish company and some areas are absolutely no go, it’s really bad. Where abouts? We stop in Gothenburg, Linkoping and our security briefings do not have any areas highlighted for concern. Apart from the usual alcohol induced incidents, I have not seen any trouble. There is a greater presence of beggars around Gothenburg stations but that’s it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Where abouts? We stop in Gothenburg, Linkoping and our security briefings do not have any areas highlighted for concern. Apart from the usual alcohol induced incidents, I have not seen any trouble. There is a greater presence of beggars around Gothenburg stations but that’s it. Gothenburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Interesting Brad As mentioned, our security briefings have no advisories. Suppose Liseberg could be though! All the water from the water splash..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Benthejockey said: They could always beat an assailant to death with a heavy old weirauch air rifle. thats if you can lift it first...............ive put a set of wheels on mine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 03/02/2018 at 17:45, walshie said: Air rifles in Germany are limited to 6 ft/lbs. I expect they intend to bruise their would-be assailants to death. Surely it can't be that hard to 'open them up' and get more power once purchased?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, Harry Callahan said: Surely it can't be that hard to 'open them up' and get more power once purchased?... That would depend on if you had a firearms certificate, and if you had a firearms certificate would you not buy a shotgun etc. if not then like here that would be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 55 minutes ago, ordnance said: That would depend on if you had a firearms certificate, and if you had a firearms certificate would you not buy a shotgun etc. if not then like here that would be illegal. ? How many spring air rifles over here were upgraded to beyond 12ft/lb after legal purchase, by just legally buying a stronger spring and fitting it at home... It is/was common practice. Those air rifles then are illegal - but nobody would ever own up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Just fitting a heaver spring etc would not increase the power enough to make it worth your while, it can also badly effect recoil ( damaging scopes ) and accuracy of the rifle as anyone that has tried it will tell you. PS It would not be illegal here as all air rifles are FAC only and no power limit. Edited February 4, 2018 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Most full power springers are designed to operate in the 16-18ftlbs bracket and most magnums in the 20-26ftlbs , being downrated for uk market to 11 to 12ftlbs normally with either a weaker spring, a smaller transfer port or both and from a lethality view in small game, the original design power level is much more useful (hitting a 40y rabbit yard with 12ftlbs) even though range is not significantly more due to no increase in accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 im still staggered at the accuracy of this very old hw77 i have.....30 odd yards and im still getting 10mm groups...it is just on the verge of being legal..i daresay changing pellet might put it over the limit...........no way will i swap accuarcy for power........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 hours ago, ordnance said: Just fitting a heaver spring etc would not increase the power enough to make it worth your while, it can also badly effect recoil ( damaging scopes ) and accuracy of the rifle as anyone that has tried it will tell you. PS It would not be illegal here as all air rifles are FAC only and no power limit. In Germany where they are limited to 6ft/lb - compared to England & Wales where it's 12ft/lb without a license... your telling me you couldn't buy a Springer in Germany and double it's power (at least!) by just buying/changing parts?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) How restrictive are the firearms laws in Germany? Thirty odd years ago when I was there hunters used to routinely wear a pistol on their belt, more or less as part of the hunters 'uniform' I got the impression it was easy going, you had to have licences and all that but the Germans love filling in forms and ticking boxes. They were very particular to wear the right outfit when out hunting. Edited February 5, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Harry Callahan said: In Germany where they are limited to 6ft/lb - compared to England & Wales where it's 12ft/lb without a license... your telling me you couldn't buy a Springer in Germany and double it's power (at least!) by just buying/changing parts?? That would be illegal, you would hardly encourage people to do anything illegal would you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ordnance said: That would be illegal, you would hardly encourage people to do anything illegal would you. I am not condoning anything. But I am not naive either. If there is a large upturn in air rifles being sold in Germany - thought to be in an attempt of the 'masses' preparing to defend themselves... well, sure as hell Itl have to be more powerful as just 6ft/lb. And if those people are buying them because of genuine concern I do believe they are buying them because sales are unrestricted - no need for licensing or screening. Walk in with money, walk out with gun - and then upgrading them is easy to do on the quiet to make them more powerful for domestic self defense. My comments are purely speculation on the subject of the OP, and what other posters are saying. I couldn't care less your argument of whether it's legal or not - and I also bet those facing civil unrest in the face won't care the legality either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Vince Green said: How restrictive are the firearms laws in Germany? Thirty odd years ago when I was there hunters used to routinely wear a pistol on their belt, more or less as part of the hunters 'uniform' I got the impression it was easy going, you had to have licences and all that but the Germans love filling in forms and ticking boxes. They were very particular to wear the right outfit when out hunting. I think hunting licence is quite stringent and the pistol for dispatch is mandatory when hiuting live pray? like most countries they restrict the use more than the item....... tests exams etc all required before one can legally hunt. Owning a firearm and being able to use one legally are different classes I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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