oldypigeonpopper Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 hello, i am not an avid watcher of the above programme as like most things with the BBC with its bias views, but i wonder what will be said on giving little chance to the smaller farming communities that are being sold out and those like the above turning our countryside into one big land estate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) Dyson owns a huge amount of land but at least he allows shooting on it and also from what I have seen of the land around Horncastle it is well looked after. Edited June 17, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Last season I shot on one of the Estates owned by possibly the same person. There were rough patches of long grass, set aside areas with wild flowers gone to seed, newish hedges of varying shrubs, ponds, wet patches left as scrapes, reeds in the ditches etc. It was a wildlife heaven. When I said to the shoot host how surprised I was that ****** went for the wildlife aspect in such a big way he said he didn’t, all of that stuff was created by the previous owner and that ***** was busy pulling it all out. Indeed we did see that the land drainage machines had already started to install drains to drain the wet areas. I can remember feeling particularly deflated at the prospect of the previous owner’s good work being negated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Should maybe be some covenants in the sale off land estates where wildlife areas should be protected. Never been one for people being told what they can and cant do in the most parts, but something for nature does need to be done before its too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 It is the way it is going, at least in arable areas, the big boys are getting huge and the medium sized family units are dissappearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Think he stopped all reared game shooting on his land the end of last season, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) He bought the land for his kids , it’s all an attempt to get around inheritance tax. As said he has stopped most of the shooting , and to be fare does sod all with the land really , certainly not enough to warrant all of the Subs he currently gets Hmmmm James dyson , what a legend .........not . Edited June 17, 2018 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 The irony is that there will be a net loss in revenue once he has reverted the marginal land back to agriculture. Last year he received £1.6m of subsidies for field margins and leaving ground unplanted. When farmed this land will produce less income. In addition there will be a capital cost of draining and improving such land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I thought the subsidies on field margins and conservation strips have mostly ende. That was the reason given for all the headlands to be plowed in my area. Even the "skylark strips" were cultivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 9 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i am not an avid watcher of the above programme as like most things with the BBC with its bias views, but i wonder what will be said on giving little chance to the smaller farming communities that are being sold out and those like the above turning our countryside into one big land estate, hello, thankyou for your replies so far, interesting Jd on your reply, i know a farm of 1000 acres that gets £65,000 so how many do the Dyson empire have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Looking forward to an interesting segment of the programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, thankyou for your replies so far, interesting Jd on your reply, i know a farm of 1000 acres that gets £65,000 so how many do the Dyson empire have? It's not just about acreage. There are all sorts of schemes that can garner Government money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Think he's about 60000 acres, They farm it all as a company, and is there to be run as a going concern, yes inheritance tax is avoided if it is done this way, but beeswax have rebuilt the cricket pavilion on one of his estates & relayed football pitches for the local community so I have been told. Revesby I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Well, interesting soft Tom asked about the tax element and that JD seemed to suggest technology will remove the need for foreign workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 hello, thankyou for your replies, i always thought he grew up in wiltshire but maybe where he mentioned was as a young boy, in fact in Malmsbury i had some friends who went to school with james dyson, i have mentioned before he did not come up with the idea of the bagless hoover, anyway it seems from what was stated farming is going to change as was said by a local farmer and many smaller farming families will not be able to carry on which i think is the biggest shame, so much for progress, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 The land they showed on the program looked dreadful .! Food production land , not a hedge , ditch or shore .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, moose man said: The land they showed on the program looked dreadful .! Food production land , not a hedge , ditch or shore .. hello, your right so many hedges were destroyed and around this way many acres of orchards some years back was that another EU policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Wot i can't understand about modern farming/CAP/grants is how elsewhere small farms still see to thrive? It just seems to be the UK where its all about production and costs per unit. Is it because the supermarkets have such a big hold influence over things?? In france small farm still survive, i know i was speaking to a dairy farmer recently who was moaning about milk prices (now gave up milking) some of his mates emigrated to Canada and yet can still milk 40 cow herds and be happy. They were in the middle of nowhere too so even getting the milk to dairy plant would be costly (only lifted it every 3 days) I bet theres not a 40 cow dairy left in UK, yet 20 years ago they would be common on mixed farms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, scotslad said: Wot i can't understand about modern farming/CAP/grants is how elsewhere small farms still see to thrive? It just seems to be the UK where its all about production and costs per unit. Is it because the supermarkets have such a big hold influence over things?? In france small farm still survive, i know i was speaking to a dairy farmer recently who was moaning about milk prices (now gave up milking) some of his mates emigrated to Canada and yet can still milk 40 cow herds and be happy. They were in the middle of nowhere too so even getting the milk to dairy plant would be costly (only lifted it every 3 days) I bet theres not a 40 cow dairy left in UK, yet 20 years ago they would be common on mixed farms hello, i think it has to do with the buyers of the big retail supermarkets who try and squeeze the prices down to an absolute bare minimum so little profit for the farmers, even one supermarket gave such a low price there was no profit hence it was left to rot, the farmers weekly is worth a read, if the Dyson farms cannot make a profit as himself stated what chance the family farms, Edited June 18, 2018 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 hello, just to note COUNTRYFILE LIVE 2018 in August yet again there is no Shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Are other countries not so infuenced by supermarkets then?? The more u here about things and this 'global market place'' u'd think all farmers would be paid the same, this 'global price' I struggle to see how any farmers could produce anything to a higher standard and cheaper than UK farms as most of them are very good at producing a good quality product in an effecient way. Makes u wonder how farmers from other countries even come close I generally refuse to watch coutryfile, althou i did turn it on last nite but missed this part, i know its purely scottish based but Landward a scottish farmig programm for all BBC produced is completely different and often shows shooting/fishing and usually pretty fairly too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Worry not, in a few years it will be impossible to get the farm machinery between the houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, old man said: Worry not, in a few years it will be impossible to get the farm machinery between the houses. Perish the thought. However, if that does happen, fortunately and somewhat selfishly, I shall be long gone by then. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 23 hours ago, scotslad said: Are other countries not so infuenced by supermarkets then?? The more uhere about things and this 'global market place'' u'd think all farmers would be paid the same, this 'global price' I struggle to see how any farmers could produce anything to a higher standard and cheaper than UK farms as most of them are very good at producing a good quality product in an effecient way. Makes u wonder how farmers from other countries even come close I generally refuse to watch coutryfile, althoui did turn it on last nite but missed this part, i know its purely scottish based but Landward a scottishfarmigprogramm for all BBC produced is completely different and often shows shooting/fishing and usually pretty fairly too If you take France as an example, the supermarkets have less dominance than here. I believe around 34% of food retailers in France are independent, whereas in the UK its 1.8%. Tesco for example, have a 28% of UK food sales. So yes, our farm gate prices are highly controlled by supermarket buyers. They know to the penny how much production costs are and manipulate the market to pay as little as possible. Plus and it's a big plus, farming is valued by the French government, it's a big employer and a large contributor to the French economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, CharlieT said: If you take France as an example, the supermarkets have less dominance than here. I believe around 34% of food retailers in France are independent, whereas in the UK its 1.8%. Tesco for example, have a 28% of UK food sales. So yes, our farm gate prices are highly controlled by supermarket buyers. They know to the penny how much production costs are and manipulate the market to pay as little as possible. Plus and it's a big plus, farming is valued by the French government, it's a big employer and a large contributor to the French economy. That certainly makes sense, from the Little I've seen on countries like France and Italy they enjoy their cooking as much as the food so are probably happier paying more for local produce, this country now seems to be more about squeezing out every single penny, profit profit profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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