wymberley Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i am sure it was Sellier and Bellot Yep, the travelling load. You pulled the trigger in Norfolk and sat on your backside in Suffolk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, wymberley said: Yep, the travelling load. You pulled the trigger in Norfolk and sat on your backside in Suffolk. hello, went off well in my BRNO O/U shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 7 hours ago, haynes said: Think eley do a pigeon load in 6.5 and hull soverign do a 6.5 cart think its a dtl cart. Saga make a 28gm with 2.5mm shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 So do Just Cartridges ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, motty said: Saga make a 28gm with 2.5mm shot. Is that for the over 55's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB7 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 I shot a Browning A1 wide-rib, 27 1/2" special skeet most of last year on game and pigeons. Game I was using eley VIP 30g 6's with PD wads and was pleased with the setup. So much so I bought another special skeet in B2 form with 28" barrels and midi-rib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 07/08/2018 at 14:39, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i am sure it was Sellier and Bellot Was that the 'Practice load' it was in a dark burgundy paper case with a rolled turnover? I shot 2 woodcock with those, it would have been a left & right, but the gun left my shoulder and had just ejected the right barrel before closing the gun ( with only a cartridge in the left barrel ) and dropped the second bird. That is the only time I my life that 2 woodcock came out close enough for a left & right. I can remember it like it was yesterday. I was using my Arthur Howell 25" bored Improved Cylinder and 1/4. That was nearly 30 years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 hours ago, AYA117 said: Was that the 'Practice load' it was in a dark burgundy paper case with a rolled turnover? I shot 2 woodcock with those, it would have been a left & right, but the gun left my shoulder and had just ejected the right barrel before closing the gun ( with only a cartridge in the left barrel ) and dropped the second bird. That is the only time I my life that 2 woodcock came out close enough for a left & right. I can remember it like it was yesterday. I was using my Arthur Howell 25" bored Improved Cylinder and 1/4. That was nearly 30 years ago! hello, sorry i cannot remember, it was around the time that Oxford still had a gun shop called Venables, the gunsmith Hans was from Czechoslovakia, and there was a clay pigeon club so i used S and B and baikels for any shooting, i fact we all used these cheap foreigners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 06/08/2018 at 10:33, chrisp said: Ive seen a gun localy ,A very nice looking winchester grand european ,the only problem i can see is it is choked skeet + skeet The gun would be used for game (nothing too high or too challenging) and the odd day on sporting clays I realy like the gun and they dont come up very often local and at this price and i can see me keeping it long term So my question is would the gun be suitable with those chokes ? perhaps if i found the right cartridge Thanks is it fixed choke? skeet gun? saying that, the tinyest amount of choke can do wonders, (meaning a good pattern increase, from minimal choking). common sense says to just pattern in with a couple of cartridges. then go do whatever you want / whats best. in my experience with making subsonics / gameshells where shotsize is increased to improve terminal peformance of slow loads , choking does nothing. i got full patterns out of every choke. -what i`m trying to tell you, buy and test nice shell that is suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Will you ever be able to hit anything as it is not multi choked and no doubt has barrels under 32" in length ??? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Its a fixed choke skeet gun with 28" barrels I asked the question as the gun isnt cheap but im looking to spend money on a gun to keep long term possibly for life and dont want to buy it only to find its not suitable and have to sell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 It will be fine. I’d use 28-32g 7s for normal birds and 32g 5/6 for high stuff and then you’ve lots of pellets and nice patterns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 I'm pretty sure that Gunman's post was, shall we say, light hearted. From what you're saying, any concerns about choke would be at the bottom of my priorities. Condition, fit - or the ability to be economically fitted, sufficient availabl;e working knowledge for any repair work borne out of its heritage and, quite simply, does one like it (must say that to me it sounds that this is very much the case here) rate far more highly. If all those points come up to scratch, then I'd go for it. However, I'd do things a little differently. As virtually everyone has said what choke you've got is good for the uses you describe. But you've got a gun which may not suit everything that you mighht like to do. There is of course no such gun but you can come close and I'm sure you've heard about the man who only has one gun. If it were me - and I've recently put my money........... - and all as above is well, I'd speak to Teague and have two chokes pemanently fitted. Fortunately, as the way things are going this is increasingly heading in the direction that you wish to go. Historically, more often than not cartridges were tested so that the Gun could get the tightest pattern he could from the choke the gun was fitted with. Currently, this is getting more and more difficult to achieve; the opposite and that which you require is getting easier. Consequently I'd have some tighter chokes fitted for use when required - longer range clays or stretching after pigeon perhaps - and then simply - easily now - find the cartridge that suit your needs as described. I've been doing it this way for over 50 years and it's only just recently that attempting to tighten up has become a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 pattern kills not choke so pattern the gun first multiple strikes kills if range up your shot size to sixes or fives muzzle loaders can kill at range and they are all cylinder and not as fast as modern powders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle The Bear Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 09/08/2018 at 14:51, Gunman said: Will you ever be able to hit anything as it is not multi choked and no doubt has barrels under 32" in length ??? ? Ha ha so true ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Shot for many years with a true skeet over and under. Never had any problems on pheasants, partridge, ducks, geese or just about anything I else that went over it. Dont let the chokes put you off buying the gun, if it fits you will get in fine. If you do buy it please update the thread later in the season and dispel any myths about chokes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Hope to go to see the gun this week so will update then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Went up to edinburgh last night to view the gun ,it was even better in the flesh than in pics so safe to say i cam home with it The guy ed i bought it from is an rfd and hes opening a shop very shortly ,check out his website (edinburgh rifles and sporting goods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Very nice. Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Hubba hubba !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Very very nice indeed! You should be chuffed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yes well chuffed with it ,im off out beating tomorrow but next time i get a free saturday il go and bash a few clays and see how i get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve d Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 16/08/2018 at 10:19, chrisp said: Went up to edinburgh last night to view the gun ,it was even better in the flesh than in pics so safe to say i cam home with it The guy ed i bought it from is an rfd and hes opening a shop very shortly ,check out his website (edinburgh rifles and sporting goods) That is lush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) On 07/08/2018 at 11:52, oldypigeonpopper said: i seem to remember there was a 6 & 1/2 cartridge in the 1970/80s ???? Sellier and Bellot, 7/8 oz 6 1/2's red paper cased roll turnover I recall ? Edited August 20, 2018 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Westley said: Sellier and Bellot, 7/8 oz 6 1/2's red paper cased roll turnover I recall ? That's the ones, they were called 'Practice' I loved them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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