TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, wymberley said: Well, it could be270 or on the other hand, 304. But really, anywhere between 270 minus 'x' to 304 plus 'y'. The only way to be anywhere near close is to count a couple from the same box. Before I made a couple of counting trays I used to get any kids that were handy to do it - it kept them quiet and they seemed to enjoy it - but now of course you'd be done for child neglect/cruelty/whatever if we're talking lead. Unless, of course the box actually says 2.7 or 2.6 mm respectively - then you could take a gamble. Only way to do it properly and there is no point in doing it any other way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 The correct answer (without counting ) For 32 grm of italian 2.7 mm is 294 pellets. Do i get a prize ? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Yes what would you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: The correct answer (without counting ) For 32 grm of italian 2.7 mm is 294 pellets. Do i get a prize ? 😁 I was under the impression that 2.7 mm (0.1067" in real money) which is English 5&1/2 shot was 240/oz, nicely between the 220 of 5s and 270 of 6s. Giving the 270 as suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 18:10, TIGHTCHOKE said: No, no, no, you've got it all wrong, you simply aim for the eyes! 😲😂 surely knot?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: The correct answer (without counting ) For 32 grm of italian 2.7 mm is 294 pellets. Do i get a prize ? 😁 Some silverware ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 He's already got some apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) It'll only be silver .. the Gold medal answer will refer to 2.6mm shot, which according to some listings, the PL range in 6 shot is ! http://www.norgascartridges.co.uk/bm~doc/FiocchiGamePlastic.pdf Edited November 13, 2018 by Smokersmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: New keyboard needed! Have a spare X on me Mate. Ha ha old iPhone 6plus is getting more and more cranky, changes my words after I press to save and omits random letters. Screen stops responding etc. I have to edit most of my posts when I read them. Been getting more annoying for the last year or so. It’s getting binned soon for a new Android phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Ultrastu said: The correct answer (without counting ) For 32 grm of italian 2.7 mm is 294 pellets. Do i get a prize ? 😁 6 hours ago, wymberley said: I was under the impression that 2.7 mm (0.1067" in real money) which is English 5&1/2 shot was 240/oz, nicely between the 220 of 5s and 270 of 6s. Giving the 270 as suggested. Found a pic of when I patterned thes cartridges a while back. Ave pellet count over 4 randomly chosen carts from the same slab was.................. 293. So today I did the 50,55,60,65,70 yard lining paper test. I'll try to get the holes counted and pics uploaded tonight. Also did a 90 yard wht a standard clay taped to it. 1'st shot at that range had 14 pellets on the paper with none hitting the clay. 2nd shot added 12 more pellets with 1 hittng the clay and dusting it just like in the video.NOT. Would it kill a bird at that range? Only if it died laughing at the idiot with the gun. The pellet had just enough energy to crack the clay in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Thank you, I look forward to the pictures later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, gotgcoalman said: Found a pic of when I patterned thes cartridges a while back. Ave pellet count over 4 randomly chosen carts from the same slab was.................. 293. So today I did the 50,55,60,65,70 yard lining paper test. I'll try to get the holes counted and pics uploaded tonight. Also did a 90 yard wht a standard clay taped to it. 1'st shot at that range had 14 pellets on the paper with none hitting the clay. 2nd shot added 12 more pellets with 1 hittng the clay and dusting it just like in the video.NOT. Would it kill a bird at that range? Only if it died laughing at the idiot with the gun. The pellet had just enough energy to crack the clay in half. As we've learned that they only do 2.6mm - no 2.7s - the 293 are 32g of slightly oversize 6s 25 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Thank you, I look forward to the pictures later. What he said - nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 So here we go. Gun used. Hatsan pump whth 24" barrel and 3/4 choke. 32g#6 fiocchi crackers. 50 yards and 124 pellets hit. 55 yards 72 hits (quite a drop) 60 yards and 50 hits 65 yards and 37 hits 70 yards and 30 hits push it to 90 yards and dust a clay (took 2 shots) see the target ? missed it. totally dusted it second time lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Thank you for the hard work. I will happily shoot to the effective range of my gun, chokes and cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 well what that proves is what the majority already thought those people who say they can kill consistently around 70 yards and beyond live in cloud cuckoo land the 50 yard one is very good the 55 and 60 yard patterns are good enough but any further than 60 and its pure luck catching a bird in the head with a pellet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 15 hours ago, yickdaz said: well what that proves is what the majority already thought those people who say they can kill consistently around 70 yards and beyond live in cloud cuckoo land the 50 yard one is very good the 55 and 60 yard patterns are good enough but any further than 60 and its pure luck catching a bird in the head with a pellet So do you count people Dave Carrier who have custom loaded cartridges in bespoke guns and show it done on film or do they also pay for special effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, welshwarrior said: So do you count people Dave Carrier who have custom loaded cartridges in bespoke guns and show it done on film or do they also pay for special effects? i cant see the gun helping much,they are just steel tubes same as any other shotgun,chokes and cartridge may help a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, welshwarrior said: So do you count people Dave Carrier who have custom loaded cartridges in bespoke guns and show it done on film or do they also pay for special effects? How do you know Dave doesn't have his own Holland & Holland style shooting simulater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, andrewluke said: i cant see the gun helping much,they are just steel tubes same as any other shotgun,chokes and cartridge may help a bit! So the the barrels your talking about when we say gunhave no effect on choke or cartridge choice! The barrel set up has an effect forcing cones etc on the cartridges cartridges have an effect on these top shots I stood and watched Digweed miss a crosser repeated using someone elses gun and a mix match of cartridges the first pair of white golds I put in the gun (he didn’t know what they where) he broke the target. Mortals can’t tell but top boys can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, andrewluke said: i cant see the gun helping much,they are just steel tubes same as any other shotgun,chokes and cartridge may help a bit! If chokes help then barrels must play a part along with chambers and forcing cones why else would anyone bother having a gun bored and regulated for a specific Cartriges even the late Archie coakes states that one of his pair shot best with 6 and the other with 5shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Old farrier said: If chokes help then barrels must play a part along with chambers and forcing cones why else would anyone bother having a gun bored and regulated for a specific Cartriges even the late Archie coakes states that one of his pair shot best with 6 and the other with 5shot it's just my opinion,and in my opinion i think that only the last couple of inches of the barrel that makes the difference,everything else is for the gullible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, andrewluke said: it's just my opinion,and in my opinion i think that only the last couple of inches of the barrel that makes the difference,everything else is for the gullible It's not just your opinion 😊 pretty much been proved once or thrice in extended tests done by the Americans; to all intents and purposes patterns are random and things like over or under boring make no difference - chokes do of course make a difference as do shells. 2 hours ago, welshwarrior said: So the the barrels your talking about when we say gunhave no effect on choke or cartridge choice! The barrel set up has an effect forcing cones etc on the cartridges cartridges have an effect on these top shots I stood and watched Digweed miss a crosser repeated using someone elses gun and a mix match of cartridges the first pair of white golds I put in the gun (he didn’t know what they where) he broke the target. Mortals can’t tell but top boys can You can spec your new Perazzi in any bore dimension you like, Beretta too manufacture and sell brand new guns today in at least three different barrel internal dimensions that I can think of, possibly four, would they not stop you from ordering the "wrong" one ?! You don't honestly believe that one instance of something you witnessed constitutes proof ? The notion that he missed those targets more because of the shell than the fact he was using a strange gun/ammo is almost too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, Hamster said: It's not just your opinion 😊 pretty much been proved once or thrice in extended tests done by the Americans; to all intents and purposes patterns are random and things like over or under boring make no difference - chokes do of course make a difference as do shells. You can spec your new Perazzi in any bore dimension you like, Beretta too manufacture and sell brand new guns today in at least three different barrel internal dimensions that I can think of, possibly four, would they not stop you from ordering the "wrong" one ?! You don't honestly believe that one instance of something you witnessed constitutes proof ? The notion that he missed those targets more because of the shell than the fact he was using a strange gun/ammo is almost too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, welshwarrior said: So do you count people Dave Carrier who have custom loaded cartridges in bespoke guns and show it done on film or do they also pay for special effects? What are these custom loaded cartridges? How do they help, and in what way do they differ from commercial loads? Edited November 14, 2018 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 I'm not getting embroiled in this again. But I'm going to ask a simple question to all these "cartridges experts" how many of you have consistently shot on, picked up on, beated on or attended any extreme shoots? If you saw birds being killed consistently over 60 yard and upwards would it change your mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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