Perazzishot Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Opening up to the experts on here. Interested in your thoughts. This includes shot that passes straight though leading to ducks collapsing 30 seconds later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I've done crows to 60 using steel and had clean kills. Anything up to that is the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Up to 60 yds with large shot and a good pattern put up front on geese =stone dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave at kelton said: Up to 60 yds with large shot and a good pattern put up front on geese =stone dead This .. with the right shot size and choke ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 11 hours ago, Smokersmith said: This .. with the right shot size and choke ... Yep bb min and full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I echo what has been said so far. Ducks that fly on with steel passing straight through, have most likely not been hit in the vitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: Yep bb min and full Depends on the " Nut behind the Butt " but 100% agree Steel shot kills well at range if placed in the right spot 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 I have no issues with steel shot, in the early days of steel it was poor and this is where it's reputation comes form. Now with modern powders and development it is as good as lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Diss4111 said: I have no issues with steel shot, in the early days of steel it was poor and this is where it's reputation comes form. Now with modern powders and development it is as good as lead. Does anyone know what has changed? I've had no interest in, or need of, NTS for many years, but just in case that should change it's handy to keep up to speed. I thought that the biggest single improvement in the performance of steel was after it was found that the recommended, "go up two shot sizes" simply wasn't working out was when the shot size spec's for steel were altered thus avoiding the embarrassing need to go up three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, wymberley said: Does anyone know what has changed? I've had no interest in, or need of, NTS for many years, but just in case that should change it's handy to keep up to speed. I thought that the biggest single improvement in the performance of steel was after it was found that the recommended, "go up two shot sizes" simply wasn't working out was when the shot size spec's for steel were altered thus avoiding the embarrassing need to go up three. I think it is just delevopment, powders are being developed for optimum performance with steel shot , wads are being designed better, more choice leading to competition between manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, wymberley said: Does anyone know what has changed? I've had no interest in, or need of, NTS for many years, but just in case that should change it's handy to keep up to speed. I thought that the biggest single improvement in the performance of steel was after it was found that the recommended, "go up two shot sizes" simply wasn't working out was when the shot size spec's for steel were altered thus avoiding the embarrassing need to go up three. Sorry can't give you the answer only my personal opinion of using Steel shot from the Voluntary Year before it was made compulsory. I've been and still am in a very fortunate situation where i shoot Geese/Duck several times on a weekly basis throughout the season. When legal to use Lead my choice of shot size for Geese was 3's choke combination 1/4-1/2 . In the voluntary season i stuck with this and Steel shot then listening to others etc i changed chokes shot sizes payloads only to go Full circle back to what personally suites myself 1/4-1/2 chokes and mainly Steel 3's/2's for Geese and Steel 3's/4's for Duck not because I'm a stubborn Stick in the Mud shooter but it's what works for me relying on Pattern and Penertration hitting my target upfront. A Moonlight along with a couple of morning flights myself and Grandson have killed a good number of Pinks Greylag Widgeon Teal and Mallard with nothing heaver than 32grm 3's through 1/2 choke and a good number of mine shot with 13/16oz or 7/8oz Steel 3's through 1/2 choke 20ga. Long winded but what works/suites myself or others stick with it and enjoy don't go chasing Rainbows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: Sorry can't give you the answer only my personal opinion of using Steel shot from the Voluntary Year before it was made compulsory. I've been and still am in a very fortunate situation where i shoot Geese/Duck several times on a weekly basis throughout the season. When legal to use Lead my choice of shot size for Geese was 3's choke combination 1/4-1/2 . In the voluntary season i stuck with this and Steel shot then listening to others etc i changed chokes shot sizes payloads only to go Full circle back to what personally suites myself 1/4-1/2 chokes and mainly Steel 3's/2's for Geese and Steel 3's/4's for Duck not because I'm a stubborn Stick in the Mud shooter but it's what works for me relying on Pattern and Penertration hitting my target upfront. A Moonlight along with a couple of morning flights myself and Grandson have killed a good number of Pinks Greylag Widgeon Teal and Mallard with nothing heaver than 32grm 3's through 1/2 choke and a good number of mine shot with 13/16oz or 7/8oz Steel 3's through 1/2 choke 20ga. Long winded but what works/suites myself or others stick with it and enjoy don't go chasing Rainbows I agree with this completely, I shoot a lot of ducks and a few geese throughout the season and my cartridge of choice is 32g of 4's although this season I have been experimenting with fibre shot cups and have been using 24g steel with very good results 5 for 5 teal last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 25/11/2018 at 08:31, Smokersmith said: This .. with the right shot size and choke ... And being a good enough shot too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, grahamch said: And being a good enough shot too Yeah, but the same goes for any shot type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, grahamch said: And being a good enough shot too Your statement is the biggest problem for a lot of people , 60 yds is mentioned quite a lot on this thread and I wonder how many people can hit wildfowl fairly consistently at 60 yds ( 180 ft ) irrespective of what choke / shot size they use , we do hear about the odd ones they stop at this range but we don't seem to hear about the ones they either miss or worse still , the ones they hit and carry on . I was on a local clay shoot last week and one of the guys brought a long builders tape and measured 40 , 50 and 60 yds and believe you me 60 yds is a long way , very few of the guns who were decent shots could hit the clays beyond the 40 / 50 yd range and the odd ones they did hit if I am honest , were by more luck than judgement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 25/11/2018 at 00:25, Perazzishot said: Opening up to the experts on here. Interested in your thoughts. This includes shot that passes straight though leading to ducks collapsing 30 seconds later! You have had some sensible replies from experienced shots. Now give us the benefit of your own experience with steel shot. As I have never used steel shot I cannot comment on my own experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm interested in a few of the responses! 9 hours ago, Diss4111 said: I have no issues with steel shot, in the early days of steel it was poor and this is where it's reputation comes form. Now with modern powders and development it is as good as lead. This one that is as relevant to lead as it is to steel. If the recent advances can change steel so much why will lead loads not have advanced in that case, which was previously dissed on the other threads? Also interested that no-one has come forward with pictures of hole in bits of paper to claim the true distance! I've been using steel on a good few driven duck shoots, personal choice RC Camouflage Hyperfast 34/4. My main concern is not hitting them and this applies to any height is the lack of clean kills you actually achieve with it. I had some other posters from here on a day recently and they could not believe firstly what height they did work at but also how many kept going after being hit hard only to die 100 yards later. On plucking steel shot ducks you often find the exit holes causing very little damage on pass through. Same as full metal jacket ammunition used in wars! I've seen ducks and geese killed with steel out to 100 yards frequently! However those doing it have spent best part of 45 years shooting high ducks and geese unto 7 days a week from the age of 7+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: I'm interested in a few of the responses! This one that is as relevant to lead as it is to steel. If the recent advances can change steel so much why will lead loads not have advanced in that case, which was previously dissed on the other threads? Also interested that no-one has come forward with pictures of hole in bits of paper to claim the true distance! I've been using steel on a good few driven duck shoots, personal choice RC Camouflage Hyperfast 34/4. My main concern is not hitting them and this applies to any height is the lack of clean kills you actually achieve with it. I had some other posters from here on a day recently and they could not believe firstly what height they did work at but also how many kept going after being hit hard only to die 100 yards later. On plucking steel shot ducks you often find the exit holes causing very little damage on pass through. Same as full metal jacket ammunition used in wars! I've seen ducks and geese killed with steel out to 100 yards frequently! However those doing it have spent best part of 45 years shooting high ducks and geese unto 7 days a week from the age of 7+. Rightho, 100 yards, load of old tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 You beat me to it Mat,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Big Mat I betted myself someone would bite with that response within 2 minutes! You sir win! Thanks! I said out to 100 yards meaning ranges up to this marker point, before it gets used as a rod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 I don't think I'll even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Lucky pellet syndrome again. Over and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: Lucky pellet syndrome again. Over and out. More like " Troll Alert " or he is away with the 🧚♂️ well done on your 6 for 9 Geese 👍 , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 The man is clearly narcissistic. He may be Michael1974 or Fisherman Mike reincarnated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 And here we go again. Surely the 'effective killing range' of any projectile is that at which consistent and humane kills are made, as opposed to the occasional or indeed lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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