What are these?

[steve_b_wales]

I've been sorting out my uncle's (now deceased) belongings and came across this, amongst other things.

Can anyone tell me what these are/called?

 

[ditchman]

oh wow...........................that is a cartographers set..............i had one ....bit bigger than that and a bit older...i was young and sold it

beautiful piece of work 

[Yellow Bear]

Draftsman's pens as well as cartographer's, I remember using such when learning engineering drawing at school in the early 60's.

[Walker570]

For sale ?

[Scully]

I had a similar set many moons ago about half the size, but mine was a draughtsmans set which had belonged to my Grandad. Very nice. 

[Scully]

If you ever want to sell that pencil box ( even if it's empty ) and those French curves, let me know. 

[Dibble]

26 minutes ago, Scully said:

If you ever want to sell that pencil box ( even if it's empty ) and those French curves, let me know. 

I can't help reading "French curves"   In a Leslie Phillips voice

[Old Boggy]

On 06/04/2019 at 16:07, Yellow Bear said:

Draftsman's pens as well as cartographer's, I remember using such when learning engineering drawing at school in the early 60's.

Yes I too used them in the 60s, when we used to do proper ink drawings on tracing paper, non of this CAD stuff back then. If you made a mistake it was scratched out using a razor blade, rubbed down with a hard green rubber and corrected. Being a Heating Engineer student apprentice in the 60s (became AMIHVE, now CIBSE) did many pipework drawings, boiler house layouts etc. It was interesting in my later years in the same trade, carrying out surveys in boilers houses seeing my own framed valve charts that had stood the test of time (40 plus years). That`s if the building was still standing by then.

Still got a complete boxed set of engineering scale rules (as the wooden ones in Steve-B-Wales set)  and a far less elaborate drawing set.

That truly is a wonderful boxed set that you have there Steve and worth a lot to a collector of such things. A good talking point which should rekindle memories to older Draftsmen/Cartographers.

OB

Edited April 7, 2019 by Old Boggy

[islandgun]

2 hours ago, steve_b_wales said:

I've been sorting out my uncle's (now deceased) belongings and came across this, amongst other things.

Can anyone tell me what these are/called?

 

That is a beautiful set and it seems in its entirety, 

[steve_b_wales]

On 06/04/2019 at 17:55, islandgun said:

That is a beautiful set and it seems in its entirety, 

As far as I can tell, it is a complete set, and, I don't think was used much. It was a presentation to my great uncle around the 1920/30's from where he worked. I don't know much about him, apart from that he died at a young age. The set had been in storage (garage) ever since. We also came across tap & die sets which have been kept to see if any of my family want them.

On 06/04/2019 at 17:45, Old Boggy said:

Yes I too used them in the 60s, when we used to do proper ink drawings on tracing paper, non of this CAD stuff back then. If you made a mistake it was scratched out using a razor blade, rubbed down with a hard green rubber and corrected. Being a Heating Engineer student apprentice in the 60s (became AMIHVE, now CIBSE) did many pipework drawings, boiler house layouts etc. It was interesting in my later years in the same trade, carrying out surveys in boilers houses seeing my own framed valve charts that had stood the test of time (40 plus years). That`s if the building was still standing by then.

Still got a complete boxed set of engineering scale rules (as the wooden ones in Steve-B-Wales set)  and a far less elaborate drawing set.

That truly is a wonderful boxed set that you have there Steve and worth a lot to a collector of such things. A good talking point which should rekindle memories to older Draftsmen.

OB

Thanks.

[fern01]

I started work as a cartographical draughtsman in 1966 and was taught how to use these. A lot of the legal drawings and plans were drawn in Indian ink on linen and colour washed.

They would be almost works of art now.

 

[figgy]

See if you can find some footage of ordinance survey cartographer's at work, amazing to watch the very precise light fine lines they draw.

Very nice set and should be worth a few Bob to collecters.

[steve_b_wales]

3 minutes ago, figgy said:

See if you can find some footage of ordinance survey cartographer's at work, amazing to watch the very precise light fine lines they draw.

Very nice set and should be worth a few Bob to collecters.

[Mice!]

4 hours ago, fern01 said:

They would be almost works of art now.

 

7 hours ago, steve_b_wales said:

I've been sorting out my uncle's (now deceased) belongings and came across this, amongst other things.

Can anyone tell me what these are/called?

 

7 hours ago, ditchman said:

oh wow...........................that is a cartographers set..............i had one ....bit bigger than that and a bit older...i was young and sold it

beautiful piece of work 

Stunning, glad its not rusty having been sat in a garage.

[McSpredder]

That is a beautiful set of instruments.   I don't recognise the black cylindrical object with knurled end pieces, stored between the two sets of scale rules.   Can anybody explain its function?

I inherited a rather similar set, but without any maker's name inside the case and no name engraved on the outside.   The original owner was an expert on tropical timbers, and had been Head of Plant and Animal Products Department at the Imperial Institute in London from 1936-45, so I imagine he could have been involved in mapping forest plantations.   I used that set on a daily basis during my time as an engineering student in the 1960s.   The ivory-handled pens allow you to adjust the separation of the nib, and hence the line width, and there are similar inserts for the compasses.   Great care is need to avoid making an inky mess, and life became easier when I was able to afford a couple of Rotring pens.

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by McSpredder

[ditchman]

13 minutes ago, McSpredder said:

I don't recognise the black cylindrical object with knurled end pieces, stored between the two sets of scale rules.   Can anybody explain its function?

it is a sort of the eqivilent of a tee square....the knurled nobs are 2 rollers connected amd as you push it across the paper it remains parralell to the starting point

[Diver One]

3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

it is a sort of the eqivilent of a tee square....the knurled nobs are 2 rollers connected amd as you push it across the paper it remains parralell to the starting point

You beat me to it by 1 minute!.....Rolling ruler

 

i have an el dheapo plastic one in the workshop, very handy for laying out lines on sheet materials as it measures distance at same time

[Old Boggy]

7 hours ago, ditchman said:

it is a sort of the eqivilent of a tee square....the knurled nobs are 2 rollers connected amd as you push it across the paper it remains parralell to the starting point

They were (maybe still are) also made in solid brass as a single item and used in navigation on charts with a similar purpose as a rolling ruler. 

OB

[steve_b_wales]

8 hours ago, ditchman said:

it is a sort of the eqivilent of a tee square....the knurled nobs are 2 rollers connected amd as you push it across the paper it remains parralell to the starting point

Also, under the 'roller' there are 'ink' pens. I'll see if I can get a few more detailed photo's on here.

 

[ditchman]

Steve..............i really think you will regret it if you sell that....i havnt seen on the internet another one as complete as that.........

[steve_b_wales]

8 minutes ago, ditchman said:

Steve..............i really think you will regret it if you sell that....i havnt seen on the internet another one as complete as that.........

I know mate, but it's totally no good to me, and there's no sentimental reason to keep it. It would be shoved up the attic. Having said that, knowing what it could be worth, I won't give it away either.

[Mice!]

It looks like something that should be on antiques roadshow, i cant imagine there being many complete sets box and all like that especially in such good condition 

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

21 minutes ago, steve_b_wales said:

I know mate, but it's totally no good to me, and there's no sentimental reason to keep it. It would be shoved up the attic. Having said that, knowing what it could be worth, I won't give it away either.

hello steve, i would be having a look on the web to see what these sell for, like specialist auctions etc, a very nice british box set,   

[ditchman]

well at least if you feel that "you dont have to sell it"...that means you can wait for the right offer...and should you advertise it....it should include the words "complete set"   "untouched"  "totally original".........

there are websites that specialise in instruments as you know..........also contact a few london shops with pics...going down the auction route, i dont think is the best option..

dont clean it ...leave it as is...

if i had my time over again and the money ...i would collect instruments and articifers sets....some of those sets particulaly the ones for broomhandled mausers and webley's go for silly silly money  thousands.....im not saying yours is worth thousands ...but i certainly would put it in that catagory...

best of luck with it and let us know the outcome ...whenever

[figgy]

21 hours ago, Old Boggy said:

Yes I too used them in the 60s, when we used to do proper ink drawings on tracing paper, non of this CAD stuff back then. If you made a mistake it was scratched out using a razor blade, rubbed down with a hard green rubber and corrected. Being a Heating Engineer student apprentice in the 60s (became AMIHVE, now CIBSE) did many pipework drawings, boiler house layouts etc. It was interesting in my later years in the same trade, carrying out surveys in boilers houses seeing my own framed valve charts that had stood the test of time (40 plus years). That`s if the building was still standing by then.

Still got a complete boxed set of engineering scale rules (as the wooden ones in Steve-B-Wales set)  and a far less elaborate drawing set.

That truly is a wonderful boxed set that you have there Steve and worth a lot to a collector of such things. A good talking point which should rekindle memories to older Draftsmen.

OB

Old boggy I too served my times as a HVAC engineer in the eighties when the technical drawings were all still done by hand.  Computers were still not good back then. We used them for basic stuff but drawings were done by hand.