oowee Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just watched the news talking about the London bridge terrorists and the investigation into their activities. It seems to me that talking about what they have done and the background not only may inspire others but to some degree glorifies what they have done. Not forgetting the impact it must have on innocent families and relatives. I would rather we adopted something like the New Zealand Prime Minister who has refused to use the name of the Mosque gun man. It would surely be better if we could refer to them in some dismissive way. No doubt on some occasions there is benefit from releasing names, but I have yet to be convinced this is the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 same with any killing really, concentrate on the victims, make it about them and don't publish pictures, manifestos, anything that glorifies them in any way. Deprive a fire of oxygen and it soon goes out Sadly in these days of rolling news its a race to the bottom and if it gets viewers they will show it - often this means the more graphic the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisjpainter Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, The Mighty Prawn said: same with any killing really, concentrate on the victims, make it about them and don't publish pictures, manifestos, anything that glorifies them in any way. Deprive a fire of oxygen and it soon goes out Sadly in these days of rolling news its a race to the bottom and if it gets viewers they will show it - often this means the more graphic the better And that's the issue. Blackouts work fine when every news outlet obeys it, but all it takes is one organisation to break ranks, knowing they'll get a huge audience boost for doing it, and it all goes to pot. I'd still like to see it done and, as you say Prawn, put the focus on the victims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Focus on the victims anyway BUT not only name the offender but produce good up to date pictures otherwise as in the Bulger case they will cost a fortune in keeping their names a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, oowee said: Just watched the news talking about the London bridge terrorists and the investigation into their activities. It seems to me that talking about what they have done and the background not only may inspire others but to some degree glorifies what they have done. Not forgetting the impact it must have on innocent families and relatives. I would rather we adopted something like the New Zealand Prime Minister who has refused to use the name of the Mosque gun man. It would surely be better if we could refer to them in some dismissive way. No doubt on some occasions there is benefit from releasing names, but I have yet to be convinced this is the case here. I disagree, the New Zealand Prime Minister came across as naive and childish to me. Don't mention the bad mans name and he will all go away, name and shame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, ordnance said: I disagree, the New Zealand Prime Minister came across as naive and childish to me. Don't mention the bad mans name and he will all go away, name and shame them. I thought this at the time; I couldn’t see the point, and wondered what she thought she was achieving . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 The media help glorify terrorism whenever they report that a group has "claimed responsibility" for some outrage, and I wonder why the words "admitted guilt" are so rarely used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Walker570 said: Focus on the victims anyway BUT not only name the offender but produce good up to date pictures otherwise as in the Bulger case they will cost a fortune in keeping their names a secret. Seemingly the rights of the criminal exceed, for some unfathomable reason, the rights of the law abiding? ? ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, old man said: Seemingly the rights of the criminal exceed, for some unfathomable reason, the rights of the law abiding? ? ? ? And the victims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 The focus should be the victims. The last thing we should do is give the perps even a moment of fame. We don't want to remember the killers. Of course the names will get out there but if they are not mainstream then the pale into obscurity. We remember Lee Rigby but we don't remember his killers surely that's a better out come. Notoriety must surely breed the copycat fantasist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 You can't completely hide their names but why not just refer to them as terrorists, that is what they are after all. 9 hours ago, McSpredder said: The media help glorify terrorism whenever they report that a group has "claimed responsibility" for some outrage, and I wonder why the words "admitted guilt" are so rarely used. I don't believe "groups" ring up and "claim responsibility" for an act of terror, prolly genuinely happens once in a blue moon and even then they're just taking credit for some other moron. Responsibility is "claimed" (accredited) to whatever war on terror entity is flavour of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, oowee said: Notoriety must surely breed the copycat fantasist? Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 But then we have claims that mainstream media hides important issues from the public, EG yellow vest riots or Tommy Robinson. I'd rather know whats going on than have it kept under wraps - and it possibly lets the precious snowflakes know it happened too, but most of them don't read the papers or watch the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: But then we have claims that mainstream media hides important issues from the public, EG yellow vest riots or Tommy Robinson. I'd rather know whats going on than have it kept under wraps - and it possibly lets the precious snowflakes know it happened too, but most of them don't read the papers or watch the news. You need to read what you wrote before pressing the "submit reply" button, both yellow vest and TR were widely reported and I`d love to know where you get the idea that most snowflakes don`t read newspapers or watch the news on TV, really I`d love to know where you get that nugget of knowledge from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Sorry - don't agree with keeping them anonymous. Why would publishing attract other killers? It's akin to saying Myra Hindley, Ian Brady and Harold Shipman should not have been named, lest others committed copycat crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Sorry - don't agree with keeping them anonymous. Why would publishing attract other killers? It's akin to saying Myra Hindley, Ian Brady and Harold Shipman should not have been named, lest others committed copycat crimes. Hindley etc were not pursuing an ideology, that`s why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Sorry - don't agree with keeping them anonymous. Why would publishing attract other killers? It's akin to saying Myra Hindley, Ian Brady and Harold Shipman should not have been named, lest others committed copycat crimes. And with all of them we remember the killers rather than the victims. I don't see the value of giving them a name and then the associated platform of infamy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Quote Hindley etc were not pursuing an ideology, that`s why. I don't accept the terrorists were doing it for ideology reasons. They are simple minded idiots, brainwashed into committing atrocities, by more cowardly leaders who recognised and preyed upon their stupidity. Quote And with all of them we remember the killers rather than the victims. I clearly remember Hindley and Brady's victims, but concede that I don't recall all of Shipman's victims. I don't accept your view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I don't accept the terrorists were doing it for ideology reasons. They are simple minded idiots, brainwashed into committing atrocities, by more cowardly leaders who recognised and preyed upon their stupidity. So what reason was there for them to do it, hatred of {Insert skin colour here} people? There has to be an ideological reason as religion was not the reason. Thomas Mair had an ideology, Lee Rigby`s killers had an ideology, there has to be an ideology for it as it cannot just happen because someone wants to make someone do such a despicable act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I don't think the people behind these atrocities are the full shilling. I don't know or really care when or where they first decided killing innocent people was a good idea - with no end goal in sight and zero prospect of success. These are simpletons. Quote it cannot just happen because someone wants to make someone do such a despicable act. henry - will have to agree to disagree. I think that is exactly what does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, henry d said: You need to read what you wrote before pressing the "submit reply" button, both yellow vest and TR were widely reported and I`d love to know where you get the idea that most snowflakes don`t read newspapers or watch the news on TV, really I`d love to know where you get that nugget of knowledge from! Reported yes but can't say I've seen much about TR or yellow vests on Sky or BBC, maybe I'm looking at the wrong times, and I guess I should have said about Sky and BBC to be fair, I'll blame dyslexia for that. I see more about that stuff on RT TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 We see often..names not revealed because they are juvenile...OK then name and shame their parents, that is where it all started. My wife was in Aldi the other day and wanted to pick a couple of their excellent steaks from the display but and obese woman was standing infront just staring at the racks and she had three ankle snappers around her. The older looking young boy saw my wife wanted to get something from the display and said to his mother, " Mam, this lady wants to get something" to be returned by " I'm EFing looking aint I , shurr up"...now what chance does that young lad stand, tell me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Ask that of a lot of the PW massive and all you will get is; "They are all scum, send them to jail/military service/workhouse/anywhere else as that is all they will ever be!" Or similar, but hey what would I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 05/06/2019 at 13:53, Gordon R said: I don't accept the terrorists were doing it for ideology reasons. They are simple minded idiots, brainwashed into committing atrocities, by more cowardly leaders who recognised and preyed upon their stupidity. Exactly how i see it.. the simple minded, manipulated by evil people to fulfil their own quest for power/ revenge/ money. in the name of ideology and religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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