TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 We really are up **** creek without a paddle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 The worst thing in all of this, even bigger than brexit, it's confirmed what I already knew, democracy is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I'm not really surprised, in my mind it was always "when" he was going to resign not "if". Felt that from the very beginning. Aled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: But Raab is replacing Davis not May! I hope Mr Raab is the right man for the job, Davis was but was asked to give too much away. Apologies! I thought you meant Reese Mogg was looking to replace Davis, not May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Not a problem, RM is far too shrewd to want the Brexit gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: We really are up **** creek without a paddle! At least we've got a canoe. maybe, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) I suspect it may have a lot of holes in it! Edited July 9, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think it's brilliant! Chaos ensues making interesting times indeed. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I see Boris has just abandoned ship, don't panic Mr Mannering ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pigeon Shredder. said: I see Boris has just abandoned ship, don't panic Mr Mannering ? ? The wheels are coming off! Wonderful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 The age of Mogg cometh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Yep. Sharpen your pencils, Lads and wait for the polling cards to land on the doormat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Yes the duplicitous Boris has gone. More manoevering for position will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Will work out a treat,an election after Xmas ,no time to sort a deal and we exit with a clean break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, muncher said: Will work out a treat,an election after Xmas ,no time to sort a deal and we exit with a clean break. That would be good but I'm afraid it won't happen. There is more backsliding still to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, muncher said: Will work out a treat,an election after Xmas ,no time to sort a deal and we exit with a clean break. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, muncher said: Will work out a treat,an election after Xmas ,no time to sort a deal and we exit with a clean break. Not sure it will work like that. A leadership challenge and vote, which will in all likely hood trigger an election could happen, IF there is support in parliament, meaning IF labour think they have a cat in hells chance of doing any good out of it. The time frame of this makes it the much already discussed autumn election. Personally I dont think labour would call it , the state theyre in. As far as Brexit goes, the EU will either reject Mays proposal, or ask for that many amendments, as to make it unworkable for us. But heres the kicker. May must have known this would happen, is this a way of her making a dignified exit ? Is this a way of re ordering the cabinet and party, to better cope with what would appear to be an almost definite, hard, no deal Brexit ? Ive said all along the EU will never give us a favourable deal, and will force a hard Brexit, it simply cant afford to do anything else. Wait and see in the next few days if May resigns, I think shes had enough, no popularity, little support, she is in the wrong place at the wrong time. If someone sensible can take the reigns and unify the party, an election MIGHT be avoided, but if the opposition fancy their chances, who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: Not sure it will work like that. A leadership challenge and vote, which will in all likely hood trigger an election could happen, IF there is support in parliament, meaning IF labour think they have a cat in hells chance of doing any good out of it. The time frame of this makes it the much already discussed autumn election. Personally I dont think labour would call it , the state theyre in. As far as Brexit goes, the EU will either reject Mays proposal, or ask for that many amendments, as to make it unworkable for us. But heres the kicker. May must have known this would happen, is this a way of her making a dignified exit ? Is this a way of re ordering the cabinet and party, to better cope with what would appear to be an almost definite, hard, no deal Brexit ? Ive said all along the EU will never give us a favourable deal, and will force a hard Brexit, it simply cant afford to do anything else. Wait and see in the next few days if May resigns, I think shes had enough, no popularity, little support, she is in the wrong place at the wrong time. If someone sensible can take the reigns and unify the party, an election MIGHT be avoided, but if the opposition fancy their chances, who knows ? As soon as Jeremy and Dianne start spouting impossible promises it will mean they think it is a possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 What a clucking mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: The worst thing in all of this, even bigger than brexit, it's confirmed what I already knew, democracy is dead. Democracy is an illusion defined only when you abide by the rules set out within certain parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: As soon as Jeremy and Dianne start spouting impossible promises it will mean they think it is a possibility! Very true, but they can only do that so many times, before they become the odd couple who cried wolf. I think, of the people who voted to leave in 2016, they will realise that the only way to get a clean break from Brussels will be to vote tory, as they know a labour majority would either bring in a pro EU very soft Brexit or do the Ref 2 and so on until we give up. I for one have not lost faith yet. 1 minute ago, krugerandsmith said: Democracy is an illusion defined only when you abide by the rules set out within certain parameters. So very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Not sure it will work like that. A leadership challenge and vote, which will in all likely hood trigger an election could happen, IF there is support in parliament, meaning IF labour think they have a cat in hells chance of doing any good out of it. The time frame of this makes it the much already discussed autumn election. Personally I dont think labour would call it , the state theyre in. As far as Brexit goes, the EU will either reject Mays proposal, or ask for that many amendments, as to make it unworkable for us. But heres the kicker. May must have known this would happen, is this a way of her making a dignified exit ? Is this a way of re ordering the cabinet and party, to better cope with what would appear to be an almost definite, hard, no deal Brexit ? Ive said all along the EU will never give us a favourable deal, and will force a hard Brexit, it simply cant afford to do anything else. Wait and see in the next few days if May resigns, I think shes had enough, no popularity, little support, she is in the wrong place at the wrong time. If someone sensible can take the reigns and unify the party, an election MIGHT be avoided, but if the opposition fancy their chances, who knows ? 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Very true, but they can only do that so many times, before they become the odd couple who cried wolf. I think, of the people who voted to leave in 2016, they will realise that the only way to get a clean break from Brussels will be to vote tory, as they know a labour majority would either bring in a pro EU very soft Brexit or do the Ref 2 and so on until we give up. I for one have not lost faith yet. So very true. I have no doubt that Mrs May and Angela Merkel have worked out a plan at their many many meetings.... How to leave but not leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, krugerandsmith said: I have no doubt that Mrs May and Angela Merkel have worked out a plan at their many many meetings.... How to leave but not leave. Its a good job its not actually up to them then ? Its up to us, if you really want it, we might have to lift bums off sofas and get out the comfort zone. If it starts turning for the worse, we need to let them be very loudly aware of our displeasure. Silence is taken as acquiescence . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Rewulf said: Its a good job its not actually up to them then ? Its up to us, if you really want it, we might have to lift bums off sofas and get out the comfort zone. If it starts turning for the worse, we need to let them be very loudly aware of our displeasure. Silence is taken as acquiescence . So very True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 It's got to be a worry that at the very moment when Britain is facing its biggest challenge since WW2 it doesn't have a government worthy of the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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