BREXIT

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, Jim Sarakun said:

The Common Market, all those years ago, was a fantastic idea. Freedom of movement for goods and people, brilliant. The secret, unaccountable government it evolved into, was not good. It is always about money, money you and I will never see. I have wage slips from 1980, to now. Everything has gone up in price, but not my wages. I earn now, what I was earning 20 years ago. Though everything has gone up in price. How has the EU helped me? It hasn't. I want out. How can it get worse? I am prepared to take that chance. I am looking forward to the change that is going to mess the whole financial system up, and put the Great, back into Great Britain. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, I pray our Politicians have it in the mix.

What has the EU got to do with anything you have said.If your wage slips have not gone up for 30 + years you need to ask yourself why. 

This is the point I was making earlier people disgruntled with the world that they live in looking for a bogey man to blame.

[Jim Sarakun]

If you are directing your meagre response to me, then do please elaborate. You have given me nothing to respond to. 

[Jim Sarakun]

I am not looking for a "bogeyman", I am looking for a plausible answer.

[Jim Sarakun]

I think I know why, Eastern European workers can do my job for less. They send their money home. I live here, and have to pay my due taxes.I can not work for what they get paid. I live in the UK. and pay UK tax.

Your silence is your demise.

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Jim Sarakun said:

I think I know why, Eastern European workers can do my job for less. They send their money home. I live here, and have to pay my due taxes.I can not work for what they get paid. I live in the UK. and pay UK tax.

Why do you think a European worker would not pay UK tax? They will have to pay the same tax as you unless it's the black economy. 

[Dave-G]

2 hours ago, Mice! said:

More like a divorce,  there sick of us, want us out the house but to keep paying the Bill's.

Yes, both parties are sick of the other but won't go the whole hog and divorce - so live in discontent instead while the wife keeps lifting cash out the trusting bloke's wallet to build up her own secret savings account to cover the debt she's piled up because she's been using payday loans to pay the mortgage to keep the bailiff away.

[Jim Sarakun]

Go eat a hedgehog, |Come back when you have a plausible argument.

Yes, a European worker can, and will work for minimum wage, but they get their tax back, when they go home. 

[Jim Sarakun]

European workers pay uk tax, but are reimbursed when they go back to their country of origin, is what I was taught when I was in the "School of thought"

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, Jim Sarakun said:

European workers pay uk tax, but are reimbursed when they go back to their country of origin, is what I was taught when I was in the "School of thought"

You were in that case misled. My wife is from Slovakia. She pays more tax than most people in this country. She get no  such discount indeed her pension payments that she made to her government (some 50000 euro's) have been absorbed and discounted so that she is not entitled to any pension from her country of birth.

Edited November 26, 2019 by oowee

[Jim Sarakun]

Come on oowee, I know they pay UK tax, then get it back when they go home. So how does that help the UK economy?

[oowee]

@Jim SarakunTake it from me they don't.

[Jim Sarakun]

OK, Hands held out, I believe you. Having been fed with so much bull**** and lies for three years, this Brexit thing,  I trust or believe no one.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Jim Sarakun said:

I think I know why, Eastern European workers can do my job for less. They send their money home. I live here, and have to pay my due taxes.I can not work for what they get paid. I live in the UK. and pay UK tax.

Your silence is your demise.

Add to that foreign workers will and do house share living in conditions a family man couldn't,  so can earn less, doing more hours, every week.

1 hour ago, oowee said:

What has the EU got to do with anything you have said.If your wage slips have not gone up for 30 + years you need to ask yourself why. 

This is the point I was making earlier people disgruntled with the world that they live in looking for a bogey man to blame.

A company I worked for once described the majority of the work force as " two 4 one's " this was only early 2000, they could get two of them, foreign workers for what I cost, and they pretty much did as they were told, always. 

And I know what JS means with regards wages, I cant go back as far but wages haven't gone up as house prices have, everyone thinks great my house is worth loads more, but I'm sure this only really benefits the banks in the long run.

[henry d]

13 hours ago, Jim Sarakun said:

European workers pay uk tax, but are reimbursed when they go back to their country of origin, is what I was taught when I was in the "School of thought"

Ok, oowee has told you first hand what the tax situation is for his wife, you quote something from the cryptic school of thought, and from the last post from you you say you believe no one.

Think about it for a moment; you are saying he is lying and the school of thought is true even though you believe no one? Plausible argument?

Edited November 27, 2019 by henry d
Typo

[Scully]

10 hours ago, henry d said:

If you are not really too sure I'm okay with that! 

Let’s not try and kid ourselves Henry, we both know. 🙂It would appear the irony of your last post is lost on you. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Scully

[oowee]

8 hours ago, Mice! said:

Add to that foreign workers will and do house share living in conditions a family man couldn't,  so can earn less, doing more hours, every week.

A company I worked for once described the majority of the work force as " two 4 one's " this was only early 2000, they could get two of them, foreign workers for what I cost, and they pretty much did as they were told, always. 

And I know what JS means with regards wages, I cant go back as far but wages haven't gone up as house prices have, everyone thinks great my house is worth loads more, but I'm sure this only really benefits the banks in the long run.

Competition in the workplace is part of the capitalist system assuming standards are maintained. As we move to Brexit and opt to remove barriers to market entry we effectively increase competition.The migration of EU workers to locations of high demand helps to balance out the labour shortages. 

Imagine a situation where the UK did not have these workers. Do you think wages would increase or do you think the public with a finite amount of cash will just buy less of the service?

I don't know what business you are in but if you have a trade there is a desperate skills shortage for any trade skills in the South. I never understood why so many appear reluctant to move with work.

 

[Raja Clavata]

10 hours ago, Jim Sarakun said:

Come on oowee, I know they pay UK tax, then get it back when they go home. So how does that help the UK economy?

In part, it's views like this and allowing people who hold views like this a say in our country going forward that has resulted in the mess we are now in.

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

In part, it's views like this and allowing people who hold views like this a say in our country going forward that has resulted in the mess we are now in.

Are you suggesting that only people who hold the ‘right’ views as defined by certain people should have a say? If so I have to admit it would fit right in with remainer attitudes.  They are so regretting us plebs had a say. 
Who was it that suggested this was too far an important issue to let the electorate decide? 🤔🙂

[Raja Clavata]

15 minutes ago, Scully said:

Are you suggesting that only people who hold the ‘right’ views as defined by certain people should have a say? If so I have to admit it would fit right in with remainer attitudes.  They are so regretting us plebs had a say. 
Who was it that suggested this was too far an important issue to let the electorate decide? 🤔🙂

There is no excuse, in this day and age, for us plebs to be so out of touch with reality and facts.

I think I'm on record as stating before that Brexit may even end up being right despite the fact that the majority voted for it for all the wrong reasons.

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

despite the fact that the majority voted for it for all the wrong reasons

What were the 'wrong reasons'? 

Surely, in a democracy, every individuals reasons for voting one way or another, are their choice, and is the 'right' choice for them? 

You voted remain, because you had what you thought were the right reasons for doing so, as much as we disagree on the matter, I would never tell you you made the wrong decision for yourself. 

[Raja Clavata]

The analogy I would use is picking the winner of a horse race based on the name of the horse or the colour scheme of the jockeys shirt.

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The analogy I would use is picking the winner of a horse race based on the name of the horse or the colour scheme of the jockeys shirt.

That's just silly, surely no one would do such a thing 🤔🙄😏

A LOT of people voted remain, because.. 

A. They believed what the government and media (media still) told them. IE, Brexit baaaad. 

B. In in doubt =status quo =safe. 

I still believe, that if that vote was rerun today, leave would win again, with an extra 1-2 million votes. 

[Newbie to this]

So we've had chlorinated Chicken, now from a different angle we have, Radioactive baby food! You decide which is worse!

 

 

[panoma1]

30 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The analogy I would use is picking the winner of a horse race based on the name of the horse or the colour scheme of the jockeys shirt.

So the EU’s restrictive practices, having our elected representatives (therefore us!) and our laws dictated to and overruled by an unelected cabal of mostly non UK unelected commissioners and courts, based in a non UK country, and the UK contributing vast amounts of our countries wealth for the privilege, is not why people voted leave? On the contrary, you claim the UK electorate are so stupid they voted leave on a superficial preference of a colour or name? Could you be any more insulting and patronising if you tried?

What pray we’re you reasons for voting remain? Financial self interest?

[Raja Clavata]

17 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

So the EU’s restrictive practices, having our elected representatives (therefore us!) and our laws dictated to and overruled by an unelected cabal of mostly non UK unelected commissioners and courts, based in a non UK country, and the UK contributing vast amounts of our countries wealth for the privilege, is not why people voted leave? On the contrary, you claim the UK electorate are so stupid they voted leave on a superficial preference of a colour or name? Could you be any more insulting and patronising if you tried?

What pray we’re you reasons for voting remain? Financial self interest?

You've kinda proved my point.