madmax666 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Hello, there is a big horse near me that me and Mrs MM think needs to be check out. The reason for this is its kept in a enclosed enclosure with what looks like a cut in half steel container for shelter when the weather turns bad, the ground the lad or girl stands on is totally devoid of any grass as this has been eaten away throughout the year and is now mud. This horse I pass every day going to work is set back off the road and I can only see part of the enclosure even when I try to get close to it and the signs on the gate are a bit keep off and away from here. The horse when I have seen it looks a sad old thing, he or she is a big old thing and was probably white in colour but is now always a dirty grey and just walks around in circles and has no horsey jacket. So right I will phone the rspca and get some advice. All I wanted is for them to do is maybe if a van is passing this way is to go over and have a look and assess the situation just in case this horse needed help..or not as I am no horse expert but I am concerned. After the phone call to them and after a lot of questions I was told unless I could see the horses ribs they would not come out, otherwise they would consider the horse well cared for and would not need to check on the horse , so my question is am I worrying too much and this horse is ok. cheers MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 That's a very tricky one to answer. Are there any horses near by/in line of sight for the horse? can you see its ribs? what are its ears positioned like? can you approach it at all? How long has it been there? If it's only recently shown up, it may have been moved there to be on a starvation diet - that's not unusual at all, if other fields are very rich in grass, horses just eat and eat and eat. they put on wait very easily and don't shed it, so a move to a starvation paddock stops them getting unhealthy from too much grass. If it's been there a while, then that's more of a concern, especially with the bad weather. Where are you? It might be worth phoning a local horse rescue charity and speaking to them. They're going to be equine specialists and can give you a much more accurate assessment. They won't be able to act independently, but could be a good expert opnion to take to the RSPCA - and potentially a very easy rehoming option should they deem it appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 tell them there's no water or food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Tell them that a TV crew is expected soon - then watch them race to the paddock. You should not feel as if you are over reacting, you are concerned for the Animal and both you and the Horse deserve to be treated with respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 I am pleased you got a sensible answer from them. Little things like saying no horsey jacket suggest you don’t know too much about them. Contrary to most of the horse world horses are designed to live out with no “jacket” on. with elderly horses if it is they actually live out better than in as being able to move about well stops their arthritis playing up too much. It sounds like it has shelter if required and you don’t know about food. Assuming food and water are supplied then at this time of year you have to expect some mud. Try talking to the owner, many here with dogs in kennels get similar reports to organisations from people without much idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clodhopper Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 The British Horse Society have regional welfare officers who look into these sort of things. My wife was one for a period of time. As stated above, some reports were from well meaning people but there was no welfare issue whereas other cases did require intervention. Maybe worth giving them a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax666 Posted October 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Al4x, you are quite right I don't know much about them and I could well be a bit overly concerned perhaps this a breed that does fair well in adverse conditions like the pony's on moors, I was just taken aback to the response the RSPCA offered me, I am sure they know more about it than me. But I will try and keep an eye out, as I mentioned to someone via pm I cant be there all the time to see if feed goes in I am sure it does plus I did see someone giving giving the horse water when it was hot in the summer, my concern was where the horse was. cheers for the advise. MM CH thanks as well. Edited October 19, 2019 by madmax666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Don't go making false reports to get the inspectors out. We all moan and whinge when the RSPCA attack our sport and the busy body's that interfere. Ask someone knowledgeable about horses to drive past and have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Some horses do very badly if they have access to too much fresh grass, they get laminitus, this could be the reason there is no grass on the paddock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Tell them you think there is some form of hunting going on in the field and the useless **** will flood the area with their arrogant inspectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 madmax666 we had something similar to what you are describing by us a year or so back and the owners were given advice by the relevant organisation in the form of a notice on the gate for all to see. Afterwards things improved and as far as I am aware the Horse is no longer there so hopefully it now has a better home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, al4x said: I am pleased you got a sensible answer from them. Little things like saying no horsey jacket suggest you don’t know too much about them. Contrary to most of the horse world horses are designed to live out with no “jacket” on. with elderly horses if it is they actually live out better than in as being able to move about well stops their arthritis playing up too much. It sounds like it has shelter if required and you don’t know about food. Assuming food and water are supplied then at this time of year you have to expect some mud. Try talking to the owner, many here with dogs in kennels get similar reports to organisations from people without much idea. Most sensible post so far. This time of year and recent weather your bound to get fields full of mud, and horses on grass eat and eat and can become sick. Also there are plenty of horses that live out and don't need silly coats or jackets. I'm quite surprised, many on here would be up in arms if the RSPCA came round and started lecturing them on keeping their gundog outside in a kennel, yet some have suggesting making false statements in-order to get them out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, madmax666 said: Al4x, you are quite right I don't know much about them and I could well be a bit overly concerned perhaps this a breed that does fair well in adverse conditions like the pony's on moors, I was just taken aback to the response the RSPCA offered me, I am sure they know more about it than me. But I will try and keep an eye out, as I mentioned to someone via pm I cant be there all the time to see if feed goes in I am sure it does plus I did see someone giving giving the horse water when it was hot in the summer, my concern was where the horse was. cheers for the advise. MM CH thanks as well. Horses usually prefer being outside, obviously over winter if you keep them out they do churn up fields but as said this might not be the end of the world if it is prone to problems from too much grass. I actually am pleased at the response you got as it is relatively sensible. As an organisation we see one side on here, they deal with some awful cases but the day to day stuff they know when they can help or not. In your case lack of a rug is no issue unless it has been clipped and the alternative to a muddy field is usually being stuck in a stable for most of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 RSPCA arent bothered about stuff like this ,they are only interested if they are sure of getting a conviction.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Could be ours by the sounds of it. Get someone one who knows a thing or two about horses (not a mad woman) to have a look. Just like with labradors the ribs should be just visible in work if suitably fit. Ours is on field rest and a tight diet, and as out of work and unclipped has no need for a rug (jacket). He churns up the ground but the alternative is box rest which given no exercise won’t do. I hate to admit it but I am slightly impressed with how the rspca handled the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, FOXHUNTER1 said: RSPCA arent bothered about stuff like this ,they are only interested if they are sure of getting a donation.. fify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Most sensible post so far. This time of year and recent weather your bound to get fields full of mud, and horses on grass eat and eat and can become sick. Also there are plenty of horses that live out and don't need silly coats or jackets. I'm quite surprised, many on here would be up in arms if the RSPCA came round and started lecturing them on keeping their gundog outside in a kennel, yet some have suggesting making false statements in-order to get them out... If you mean my post I'll clarify.. I made the post as a,tounge in cheek go at the rspca By that I mean that when people contact them (me included) to report what may or may not be a geniune case of improperly kept animals they should attend to confirm either way ..... which if I remember correctly is what they were set up for... But they have way too many times proved they are now an association that is far removed from its origins and will if there is any suggestions that some form of country pursuit is taking place will attended rapidly in the hope of gaining a prosecution / publicity . But contact them to report a suspected case of cruelty they do not seem interested in the slightest ..... I will end there as I can carry on with true incidents of THEM breaking the law ..... but don't want to be kept typing all morning Edited October 20, 2019 by hodge911 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, hodge911 said: If you mean my post I'll clarify.. I made the post as a,tounge in cheek go at the rspca By that I mean that when people contact them (me included) to report what may or may not be a geniune case of improperly kept animals they should attend to confirm either way ..... which if I remember correctly is what they were set up for... But they have way too many times proved they are now an association that is far removed from its origins and will if there is any suggestions that some form of country pursuit is taking place will attended rapidly in the hope of gaining a prosecution / publicity . But contact them to report a suspected case of cruelty they do not seem interested in the slightest ..... I will end there as I can carry on with true incidents of THEM breaking the law ..... but don't want to be kept typing all morning Wouldn’t disagree with this...If they stick to the prevention of illegal (as defined in law) cruelty to animals fine, but I will never give a donation to the RSPCA or RSPB as long as they lobby politically and campaign against legitimate legal field sports. Edited October 20, 2019 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax666 Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) Hi all, I contacted a stable a few miles away and explained the situation they knew of the horse and its location, they told me someone did look in and checked it out and was considered healthy, the horse now I have found out is a Vanner. MM Edited October 20, 2019 by madmax666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 hours ago, hodge911 said: If you mean my post I'll clarify.. I didn't mean yours, I meant Andrew's when he suggested telling them there was no food and no water... despite that not being noted in the original post. It was something that was made up just to get a call out... a false report and a waste of everyone's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: I didn't mean yours, I meant Andrew's when he suggested telling them there was no food and no water... despite that not being noted in the original post. It was something that was made up just to get a call out... a false report and a waste of everyone's time. Ok mate thanks but I thought I better clarify my post just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 hours ago, madmax666 said: the horse now I have found out is a Vanner. MM Surprise , surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 6 hours ago, madmax666 said: ... they told me someone did look in and checked it out and was considered healthy... 1 hour ago, FOXHUNTER1 said: Surprise , surprise. You missed that bit out... surprise, surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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