Retsdon Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 As if it wasn't what we already suspected..... 'Almost every Conservative Party advert analysed during a period of the election campaign was found to be misleading, compared with none of Labour’s, research has found. Some 88 per cent of the most widely circulated Tory ads during the first four days of December included inaccurate claims, according to disinformation tracking organisation First Draft.' https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/general-election-boris-johnson-conservatives-labour-corbyn-facebook-ads-a9241781.html And just to check how independent this research was, and that it wasn't politically biased, I looked up the authors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_News "First Draft News is a project "to fight mis- and disinformation online" founded in 2015 by nine organizations brought together by the Google News Lab. It includes Facebook, Twitter, the Open Society Foundations and several philanthropies.[a][1][2]" So it' s an umbrella organization overseen and funded by the likes of Google, Facebook, Twitter - hardly a grouping that would be pro-Labour! Anyway, there you have it. You can vote for honest people. Or alternatively you can abstain and vote for nobody. Or I suppose you could vote for the people who cynically and calculatedly lie to you 88 percent of the time. Of the three choices, I would say that only two would qualify as either honorable or sensible ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 We have seen nothing of Dianne Abbott during the election campaign. Apparently this has nothing to do with being suppressed by Labour's campaign management; she has been doing the rounds of the MoD and military sites looking for a "General Election". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Retsdon said: As if it wasn't what we already suspected..... 'Almost every Conservative Party advert analysed during a period of the election campaign was found to be misleading, compared with none of Labour’s, research has found. Some 88 per cent of the most widely circulated Tory ads during the first four days of December included inaccurate claims, according to disinformation tracking organisation First Draft.' https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/general-election-boris-johnson-conservatives-labour-corbyn-facebook-ads-a9241781.html And just to check how independent this research was, and that it wasn't politically biased, I looked up the authors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_News "First Draft News is a project "to fight mis- and disinformation online" founded in 2015 by nine organizations brought together by the Google News Lab. It includes Facebook, Twitter, the Open Society Foundations and several philanthropies.[a][1][2]" So it' s an umbrella organization overseen and funded by the likes of Google, Facebook, Twitter - hardly a grouping that would be pro-Labour! Anyway, there you have it. You can vote for honest people. Or alternatively you can abstain and vote for nobody. Or I suppose you could vote for the people who cynically and calculatedly lie to you 88 percent of the time. Of the three choices, I would say that only two would qualify as either honorable or sensible ones. Marvellous news, glad you believe it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Retsdon said: Anyway, there you have it. You can vote for honest people. I must be a bit dim. Who would that be, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Retsdon said: And just to check how independent this research was, and that it wasn't politically biased, I looked up the authors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_News "First Draft News is a project "to fight mis- and disinformation online" founded in 2015 by nine organizations brought together by the Google News Lab. It includes Facebook, Twitter, the Open Society Foundations and several philanthropies.[a][1][2]" So it' s an umbrella organization overseen and funded by the likes of Google, Facebook, Twitter - hardly a grouping that would be pro-Labour! You are joking aren't you? You know who owns open society? The social media platforms also lean heavily to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You are joking aren't you? You know who owns open society? The social media platforms also lean heavily to the left. Open Society Foundations is founded, chaired and largely financed by George Soros - and is his 'mouthpiece'. It would be AMAZING if it didn't attack Brexit supporting parties and support Leave based parties. It is virtually as far from 'unbiased' as it is possible to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Retsdon said: As if it wasn't what we already suspected..... 'Almost every Conservative Party advert analysed during a period of the election campaign was found to be misleading, compared with none of Labour’s, research has found. As if it wasn't what we already suspected......even without the work that others have done to point out the flaws in your claim, it doesn't take a genius to realise there are some exceedingly gullible folk out there! NONE? 😀 Next you'll be telling us the head honcho of the regime in which you work doesn't have his high profile critics killed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Scully said: Next you'll be telling us the head honcho of the regime in which you work doesn't have his high profile critics killed! 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: You are joking aren't you? You know who owns open society? The social media platforms also lean heavily to the left. https://firstdraftnews.org/about/ 'As a Founding Partner, Google News Initiative continues to support the work of First Draft. We are also grateful to the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Craig Newmark Philanthropies, News Integrity Initiative at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at CUNY, Open Society Foundations, Omidyar Network, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Ford Foundation and the Rita Allen Foundation for their grants and donations. We have also received financial support from the Facebook Journalism Project and Twitter.' Open Society Foundations is just one of a whole bunch of organizations involved with First Draft. So what about Google News and Twitter, or the Ford Foundation? Are they part of your left wing conspiracy too? If you must feel compelled to reply, why don't you try addressing the issue, raised rather than trying (and failing as usual) to shoot the messenger? 41 minutes ago, Scully said: Next you'll be telling us the head honcho of the regime in which you work doesn't have his high profile critics killed! Either killed, or hung up by their feet in luxury hotels and shaken down for their money. Why do you imagine for one moment that I would hold a candle for MBS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 20 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: He is vegan, near tea-total, photographs drain covers for a hobby and dated Diane Abbott - and you say he is one step AWAY from insanity???? 🤣 One step - but in which direction??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just a thought; after the polls close does the thread get closed or does it roll on for the next one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, henry d said: Just a thought; after the polls close does the thread get closed or does it roll on for the next one? We could have a referendum on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, henry d said: Just a thought; after the polls close does the thread get closed or does it roll on for the next one? Well I would hope we can close this and the Brexit threads within a couple of months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well I would hope we can close this and the Brexit threads within a couple of months! Dream on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Happily dreaming of a large Tory majority! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, henry d said: Just a thought; after the polls close does the thread get closed or does it roll on for the next one? Why do you want this one closing down henry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Are they part of your left wing conspiracy too? Conspiracy? I think you're mixed up on definition. Open society funds far left wing groups, anti brexit groups, climate change groups, Antifa and BLM, those are FACTS. 56 minutes ago, Retsdon said: If you must feel compelled to reply, why don't you try addressing the issue, raised rather than trying (and failing as usual) to shoot the messenger The messenger shoots itself, when it tries to justify a biased report, by claiming the reports paymasters are unbiased, when every man and his dog know they are NOT. You're sposed to be an educated man, stop being naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Retsdon said: Almost every Conservative Party advert analysed during a period of the election campaign was found to be misleading, compared with none of Labour’s, research has found. How many were removed for breach of electoral standards? I know of at least one Labour one that was removed for breach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: How many were removed for breach of electoral standards? I know of at least one Labour one that was removed for breach. A different issue. An individual MP getting removed for breaking electoral rules is one thing. An entire electoral campaign that is founded on systematic lying is a different matter altogether. I really fail to understand why you have a problem with me calling this for what it is. If nothing that a political party says can be believed, then how is democracy supposed to function? Is it OK now for a political party to outright lie 90 percent of the time? It's not about supporting any individual party. From a political perspective I don't care who wins the election. But the Conservative party under Johnson is undermining the whole political system. No party should be able to do that and get away with it because down that road like anarchy. 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: The messenger shoots itself, when it tries to justify a biased report, Is the report factually wrong or not? If it is, then you can surely point out the errors. Or are we going to keep sniping at the messengers...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Happily dreaming of a large Tory majority! Edited December 12, 2019 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Newbie to this said: How many were removed for breach of electoral standards? I know of at least one Labour one that was removed for breach. I remember the reports a few years ago of several Asian Labour councillors in Birmingham, caught red handed in a disused factory unit, filling in piles of blank ballot papers!.....I believe electoral fraud to be widespread....but I can’t say I’ve heard of any conservatives being caught doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Good old Phil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Is the report factually wrong or not? If it is, then you can surely point out the errors. Or are we going to keep sniping at the messengers...? What are you even talking about ? What FACTS ? A left wing inspired and paid for advertising group with clear links to anti Brexit and anti tory donors , SAYS that tories lie and labour dont ? Give me strength, you have NO argument. 7 minutes ago, henry d said: Bout as serious as mcdonnell on Peston last night saying labour will get a majority. 'But youll need to take 100 seats off the tories to do that ?' 'And...' he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Give me strength, you have NO argument. https://firstdraftnews.org/latest/how-two-disinformation-campaigns-swung-into-action-days-before-the-uk-goes-to-the-polls/ There's no gain to be had sniping at me. Point out how the the information in the above link is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 How about "The Conservatives are planning to sell off the NHS"? We know that was a lie, total fiction, dreamed up by Ed Milliband's election Campaign team to "weaponise" the NHS. Yet Corbyn is still repeating it over and over again during this election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 This is very very scary, most worrying thing I've seen, but oowee and Henry want this????? Stalemate forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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