Police Action

[Gordon R]

These are unusual times and the Police have not been in this position before. It is inevitable that some get it wrong. 

Perhaps it would have been wiser for the Chief Constable to have sought advice about what he said, although the odd one seems to deny that he ever did say it.

People are fed up with the restrictions and worried about the future, but that is no reason to suddenly turn on the police. They are only doing their job, albeit the odd one or two don't seem to have got a grip on reality.

[andrewluke]

On 29/03/2020 at 16:23, figgy said:

Even the police know how to do it better. They just either can't be bothered or are not allowed.

Policing if I'm correct in my thinking is upholding the laws of this country. Catching and processing the one ones who break them.

Or have I got it all wrong.  Like firefighters out fires out and try to prevent them.

Ambulance paramedics save lives.

All of the above might be all wrong but it is what I believe.

I have friends who are Cooper's, none of them are over the moon with the job. Pensions are about the only thing keeping them in.

can i have their number,i got some barrels that need sorting

[Scully]

46 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I'm not getting out, that's the whole point which you don't seem to get

Each to their own; I’m getting out loads. 

[victorismyhero]

3 is it or 4 instances of police over reach on what should be straight forward.......

confusion?

bad communication?

or a deliberate and sinister intent to impose more than is asked for ...testing the boundaries so to speak? see what they can get away with?

[henry d]

On 29/03/2020 at 16:23, figgy said:

 

Or have I got it all wrong.  Like firefighters out fires out and try to prevent them.

Save life, protect property, render humanitarian aid.

[victorismyhero]

and before anyone cries "anti police"...I'm on of those who think that they should have GREATER POWERS  but ONLY within what has been given unto them to do....

for instance they should be able to confiscate caravans from idiots out and about, and even the vehicles of those who break lockdown.

 

[Gordon R]

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or a deliberate and sinister intent to impose more than is asked for ...testing the boundaries so to speak? see what they can get away with?

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and before anyone cries "anti police"

Anti Police.

[ClemFandango]

On 31/03/2020 at 23:18, Gordon R said:

I don't begrudge them the freebie drinks, nor the 45 minute break at around 10.15am. Longest recorded break was an hour and a half. McDonalds is the epicentre of crime and I assume that they are drinking coffee in readiness to spring into action. 😁

Why are you counting policemen and recording the lengths of their breaks? 

[Raja Clavata]

Coppers are just normal people at the end of the day so there is a spectrum between the best and the worst, part of the issue here is that the rules are open to interpretation and that applies to both sides. Thankfully they have not gone so far as to have applied the rule of lowest common denominator or there might be more justifiable grievances for the majority of us.

WRT any notion of anti-Police, I have perhaps with one notable exception always found the Police to be properly decent in my interactions with them.

Moreover, spend a few months living in certain countries and you soon appreciate the difference between what we have - a Police Service - and what exists elsewhere - a Police Force.

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Coppers are just normal people at the end of the day so there is a spectrum between the best and the worst,

Quite agree, but it does seem that some of the 'worst' are better at rising to higher rank, whereas many of the best go largely unrecognised.  Promotion in so many organisations these days is done by 'meeting targets' - and this is a nonsense unless the targets are correctly set - and the 'meeting thereof' correctly measured. 

As an example - when I was in industry we had 'SMART' targets;  If I remember right this stood for Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, Timely.  One of the targets I was set was to reduce my department's CO2 signature by 10% in a 12 month period.  I asked how it would be measured (no answer as to how any measurement attributable to me/my department could be made).  The answer came back 'not to worry as no one would be marked down on that one - which was simply rolled out from head office and 'flowed down'.  Sound idea, utter nonsense as a SMART target.

[AVB]

13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Coppers are just normal people at the end of the day so there is a spectrum between the best and the worst, part of the issue here is that the rules are open to interpretation and that applies to both sides. Thankfully they have not gone so far as to have applied the rule of lowest common denominator or there might be more justifiable grievances for the majority of us.

WRT any notion of anti-Police, I have perhaps with one notable exception always found the Police to be properly decent in my interactions with them.

Moreover, spend a few months living in certain countries and you soon appreciate the difference between what we have - a Police Service - and what exists elsewhere - a Police Force.

Hear hear. 

[stumfelter]

Glad to see that so many bobbies could all get together for a mass clapping session, must be nice to socialise in these times...

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, stumfelter said:

Glad to see that so many bobbies could all get together for a mass clapping session, must be nice to socialise in these times...

No doubt they have solved all the crimes on their patch, caught all the speeding drivers, issued all of the outstanding FAC applications ...........

[Raja Clavata]

8 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Quite agree, but it does seem that some of the 'worst' are better at rising to higher rank, whereas many of the best go largely unrecognised.  Promotion in so many organisations these days is done by 'meeting targets' - and this is a nonsense unless the targets are correctly set - and the 'meeting thereof' correctly measured. 

As an example - when I was in industry we had 'SMART' targets;  If I remember right this stood for Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, Timely.  One of the targets I was set was to reduce my department's CO2 signature by 10% in a 12 month period.  I asked how it would be measured (no answer as to how any measurement attributable to me/my department could be made).  The answer came back 'not to worry as no one would be marked down on that one - which was simply rolled out from head office and 'flowed down'.  Sound idea, utter nonsense as a SMART target.

I concur. I think some of this relates to knowing how to play the game as it were, assuming that you are prepared to play the game of course then as you suggest there are targets but again there is often a game to be played there too.

LOL at SMART, we had the same thing at my previous firm (US Automotive Tier 1) - rarely anything smart about it, corporate lingo a bit like Lessons Learnt - I used to point out they were Lessons Identified until such time that you stopped repeating the same mistakes 🙂 

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

LOL at SMART, we had the same thing at my previous firm (US Automotive Tier 1)

Mine was a top 10 US defence contractor.

[victorismyhero]

1 hour ago, ClemFandango said:

Why are you counting policemen and recording the lengths of their breaks? 

he's entitled to .....WE pay their wages, and are thus due an accounting therefor.....

[ClemFandango]

34 minutes ago, victorismyhero said:

he's entitled to .....WE pay their wages, and are thus due an accounting therefor.....

Police officers also pay taxes so they are just as entitled to to have as long a break as they like as you are to criticise them or for busy body ***** to time them. 

[victorismyhero]

try telling that to my boss...that i am entitled to as long a break as i want....🤣

[Raja Clavata]

4 minutes ago, ClemFandango said:

Police officers also pay taxes so they are just as entitled to to have as long a break as they like as you are to criticise them or for busy body ***** to time them. 

Agreed. It is indeed a flawed argument - clearly all Police Officers pay taxes but it's far from clear that the collective "WE" do - in fact it's an indisputable fact that not everybody does and some of those that do probably don't provide their full contribution. In this regard PAYE employees and those drawing pensions are "clean".

[Gordon R]

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Why are you counting policemen and recording the lengths of their breaks? 

I had no need to count. I knew how many were there. I did not record the length of their breaks. 

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or for busy body ***** to time them.

I assume your pathetic comment was aimed in my direction. You need to get a life.

[southeastpete]

2 minutes ago, AVB said:

No idea without knowing the full story but he just seems to be a knob to me. 

I’m sure if they’d just kicked your door in for absolutely no reason youd be extremely cordial and offer them tea and biscuits.

and I’m sure you’ll say he should have just opened the door. But imagine you don’t like or trust the police for whatever reason. Maybe this sort of thing has happened to you before. You’re watching telly when they start beating on your door, police open up. You don’t trust them or like them and there’s no reason for them to be there so you say no thanks, I’m fine, or no, pee off. Then they smash your door in, just because some twerp called them for a laugh and said there was an imaginary disturbance...

so I could apparently ring the police and say I heard a disturbance inter empty house of someone I don’t like, 4-5 cops will turn up and because there is no answer they’ll smash the door in?

someone is laughing there head off about that, and he’s left with a smashed door and they didn’t even so much as apologise....

[AVB]

Just now, southeastpete said:

I’m sure if they’d just kicked your door in for absolutely no reason youd be extremely cordial and offer them tea and biscuits.

and I’m sure you’ll say he should have just opened the door. But imagine you don’t like or trust the police for whatever reason. Maybe this sort of thing has happened to you before. You’re watching telly when they start beating on your door, police open up. You don’t trust them or like them and there’s no reason for them to be there so you say no thanks, I’m fine, or no, pee off. Then they smash your door in, just because some twerp called them for a laugh and said there was an imaginary disturbance...

so I could apparently ring the police and say I heard a disturbance inter empty house of someone I don’t like, 4-5 cops will turn up and because there is no answer they’ll smash the door in?

someone is laughing there head off about that, and he’s left with a smashed door and they didn’t even so much as apologise....

As I said without knowing the full story I.e why they were called, why he didn’t open the door etc you can’t tell but from what you can see he was acting like a knob. 

[southeastpete]

Just now, AVB said:

As I said without knowing the full story I.e why they were called, why he didn’t open the door etc you can’t tell but from what you can see he was acting like a knob. 

If you don’t know the story, how can you say he acted like a knob? If it was as i described above, I think he was reasonably restrained. I would of course open my door as I hold a sgc. But if I didn’t I may well say no. If they then smashed my door in I’d be fuming. 

If they’d spent 5 minutes talking through the door, and potentially they’d heard screams themselves or something, then yes they’d have reason, and maybe he acted like a knob. But until there is evidence otherwise, they left pretty sheepish with barely a look around. So I’d say evidence supports them acting a bit rashly, and perhaps the knobs in this situation

[Mice!]

4 minutes ago, southeastpete said:

and I’m sure you’ll say he should have just opened the door. But imagine you don’t like or trust the police for whatever reason. Maybe this sort of thing has happened to you before.

Personally I've never had the police knock on my door, maybe it was a bad area, maybe they were expecting a party so the 4 turned up?

I'd love to see what the police filmed, knock knock,  greeted by a mouthful of abuse.

[JKD]

I'm guessing it was a test for them what kicked the door in 😏

It's not a house,,,, looks like a police accommodation area ? Magnolia paint everywhere, fire escape signs etc....

Colourful language though 😯