Lockdown

[Mice!]

It's just been on the News that Wuhan has lifted its lockdown,  from tomorrow morning France is banning outdoor exercise during the day I think the news just said, Japan have declared a state of emergency, and we are coming towards the end of our third week.

 I'm not sure when the announcement is supposed to be but I'm expecting another 3 weeks, I still don't think the government will say more than that.

I've been back to work this week in very strange circumstances, very little traffic about, a skeleton crew all avoiding each other, but it feels good being out the house with a bit of normality, having some banter with the lads.

But then Norway and Denmark are relaxing their social distancing, with primary schools set to re open??

These certainly are strange times, how can Spain, France and Italy be under such pressure but other European countries are relaxing, it just makes no sense?

And some idiot is driving loops around the area with his stupid exhaust when they should be home.

Has anyone heard anything about the lockdown?

[Jim Neal]

I've a cousin in Norway.  Apparently Sweden next door to them have really down-played the virus and put in place very lack-lustre measures, in contrast to most of their immediate neighbours in the region.  Norway shares a huge border with Sweden and allegedly there is an influx of Covid-19 coming through.

Denmark are connected to Sweden only by a bridge across the sea - they have simply closed it!

However looking at the stats, Sweden has a much lower number of cases per capita than Norway.  Maybe they are just behind in terms of timeline?  Who knows.

One thing is certain, we have to start trying to get back to normal at some point or we won't have a normal to get back to.

[Lord v]

The statement out of France made zero sense to me. 

They were banning outdoor excercise between 10:00 and 19:00 to encourage people to go out when the streets were quieter.... 

Let's just think about that logically.... 

 

(or I am missing something here) 

[Longbower]

As our government have admitted they have no 'exit strategy'  as yet, I would expect another 3 weeks of what we have now. Much will depend on this weekend and how/if , the great British public obey the rules.

Apparently , the finger ***** tests the government have purchased , that could tell if you have already have had the virus , appear not to work. But, others are 'on the way'.  The only ways out of this is ,accurate testing (short term), inoculation, (long term).Otherwise , re- infection will occur again and again.

Experts have also advised that school closures , have little effect on transmission of the virus , and may advise that they re-open as soon as the holidays are over.(OMG)!

[Nuke]

5 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

Denmark are connected to Sweden only by a bridge across the sea - they have simply closed it!

Nope, still open. You need to have a reason, like a letter from an employer, to pass the checkpoint. 

/M

[Retsdon]

6 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

However looking at the stats,

The stats are pretty inaccurate. A huge factor is how rigorous the testing is.

[Nuke]

6 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

However looking at the stats, Sweden has a much lower number of cases per capita than Norway.  Maybe they are just behind in terms of timeline?  Who knows.

I also think different groups of society is infected. I hope they get a antibody test ready soon. 

The number of dead indicates that Norway is either behind on the curve or are managing the virus much better, to early to tell. 

/M

Edited April 8, 2020 by Nuke

[washerboy]

If we relax the rules it will get worse. Imagine if they lift the ban on say McDonald's. Groups of kids met there before when it was take out only. What will happen if its business as usual. As for pubs.. Don't get me started. The last night of opening in my town was awful, some pubs where wrecked 

[Mice!]

28 minutes ago, washerboy said:

If we relax the rules it will get worse. Imagine if they lift the ban on say McDonald's. Groups of kids met there before when it was take out only. What will happen if its business as usual. As for pubs.. Don't get me started. The last night of opening in my town was awful, some pubs where wrecked 

That's the thing, most seem to be obeying the lockdown. But if there is any relaxation people will treat it like party time.

6 hours ago, Longbower said:

Experts have also advised that school closures , have little effect on transmission of the virus , and may advise that they re-open as soon as the holidays are over.(OMG)

If schools go back, how are they going to get hundreds of kids in and out while maintaining a social distance?

Then you have work places, where I work they have done all sorts to allow a limited number of people in but I doubt most places could manage it, and if kids go back employers will want staff back in, there still saying the peak is a few weeks away,  always a few weeks.

[Smokersmith]

Wuhan was 11 weeks.

We’re in our 3rd week.

Why do people think the lockdown is likely to end soon?

[Nuke]

46 minutes ago, Mice! said:

If schools go back, how are they going to get hundreds of kids in and out while maintaining a social distance?

The idea is that as long as the youngest are kept away from the elderly the risk to society is minimal. Only schools for ages 13 years and adove closed here in Sweden. 

/M

[Mice!]

11 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Wuhan was 11 weeks.

We’re in our 3rd week.

Why do people think the lockdown is likely to end soon?

I think because they said three weeks people are hoping that's it?? I've said elsewhere they wouldn't say it's two months because some people will not handle it well.

17 minutes ago, Nuke said:

The idea is that as long as the youngest are kept away from the elderly the risk to society is minimal. Only schools for ages 13 years and adove closed here in Sweden. 

/M

Cheers 

[Smokersmith]

Review in 3 weeks is a lot different to end in 3 weeks … but I think you're right on the messaging.

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, is not Easter Monday the last day of the 3 weeks ? i am sure we will hear what is going to happen before then,

[Centrepin]

This morning walking my dogs, the first thing I noticed was the noise is back. Cars on the road, car parks/parking spaces empty. People in a bus shelter. People stood on corner, waiting to see which bus comes first, down the hill or round the houses, gathered together to run to whichever stop. More people out walking their dogs. I saw several firms vans, a scaffolder, council maintenance vans, the list goes on.

My normal one walk of the day takes place around 0600 - 0630.

Today, its like a normal working day. Something somewhere is not getting through. 

My son who runs his own firm, employs 18 drivers, 2 yard staff and office staff has had his phone ringing from 0500 through till would you believe 0200 by builders, council, and private individuals giving him abuse for not delivering ready mixed concrete. Since when has shed bases, driveways and footings for houses or garages been essential work. Incidentally he's paying his staff in full to stay at home.

He shares a yard with a skip company, which have never been busier with garden and house clearances etc. They choose not to close. Non essential, what do they not get.

I foresee this lockdown staying till at the very least the new school year, possibly beyond. While it's still being transmitted the lockdown should continue and get stricter.

[Walker570]

Settle down to at least another three weeks.  Looking at the Stats it does suggest that the situation here in the UK is levelling off but that does not mean it cannot spring back again.  Look at Boris, he looked like he may have come through it and then BANG he is in intensive care.  I have neighbours who are not strictly adhereing to the lockdown but they are not having contact with me. It is just stupid and irresponsible.  I saw another elderly couple both fat as pigs walking through our village and then saw they had driven here from elsewhere and parked their car on the verge.  Thick as two short planks.  If you value your life and the life of your next of kin, then be patient and stay put and stay safe.

Good comment and true Centrepin.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Walker570

[oldypigeonpopper]

3 minutes ago, Centrepin said:

This morning walking my dogs, the first thing I noticed was the noise is back. Cars on the road, car parks/parking spaces empty. People in a bus shelter. People stood on corner, waiting to see which bus comes first, down the hill or round the houses, gathered together to run to whichever stop. More people out walking their dogs. I saw several firms vans, a scaffolder, council maintenance vans, the list goes on.

My normal one walk of the day takes place around 0600 - 0630.

Today, its like a normal working day. Something somewhere is not getting through. 

My son who runs his own firm, employs 18 drivers, 2 yard staff and office staff has had his phone ringing from 0500 through till would you believe 0200 by builders, council, and private individuals giving him abuse for not delivering ready mixed concrete. Since when has shed bases, driveways and footings for houses or garages been essential work. Incidentally he's paying his staff in full to stay at home.

He shares a yard with a skip company, which have never been busier with garden and house clearances etc. They choose not to close. Non essential, what do they not get.

I foresee this lockdown staying till at the very least the new school year, possibly beyond. While it's still being transmitted the lockdown should continue and get stricter.

hello, interesting to read Council workers ? requiring ready mixed concrete

[Centrepin]

Just now, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, interesting to read Council workers ? requiring ready mixed concrete

My son has a council contract to supply concrete to the council for property and road repairs. When roads are repaired after new pipes or cables are laid, low breaking strain concrete is often poured to protect the pipes. Often this is foamed concrete, concrete with low aggregate content or a low cement content to allow easy breaking later if need be yet sufficiently strong to allow vehicular movements and  pressure from above. Its actually quite technically in the premixing and "cubes" are taken to be sent for destruction testing for strength and consistency. 

However, as no one should be making non essential repairs or maintenance at this time, there should be no call. If there is a need, to save his drivers, he said he would go in, batch the load and deliver it himself. Only essential work, not shed bases, greenhouses and such which the council also do.

[scarecrow243]

the lock down will last longer than anyone was told they made the law for 2 years and be reviewed every 3 months

[Mice!]

26 minutes ago, Centrepin said:

shares a yard with a skip company, which have never been busier with garden and house clearances etc. They choose not to close. Non essential, what do they not get.

If they can work on their own ie one driver in the skip wagon then I think they can still work?

Everyone is home doing jobs around the house and garden so I get people wanting skips.

29 minutes ago, Centrepin said:

Today, its like a normal working day. Something somewhere is not getting through. 

Worrying. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

9 hours ago, Lord v said:

The statement out of France made zero sense to me. 

They were banning outdoor excercise between 10:00 and 19:00 to encourage people to go out when the streets were quieter.... 

Let's just think about that logically.... 

 

(or I am missing something here) 

hello,  maybe they thought less people would go out between 7 pm till  10 am 

Edited April 8, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[Scully]

I can’t see this ending anytime soon. It’s not like it’s going to be announced on the 28th of June or whenever, everything can go back to normal, the pubs shops and restaurants etc reopen. This will be a long drawn out easing of restrictions until we eventually start to resemble normality. 
Have just got to work, and it’s as quiet as a church in town; we’ll see what the holiday weekend brings. 

[AVB]

37 minutes ago, Centrepin said:

 

He shares a yard with a skip company, which have never been busier with garden and house clearances etc. They choose not to close. Non essential, what do they not get.

 

This has been covered many times. The government do NOT say that only ‘essential’ work should take place (it’s impossible to define essential) but rather have said you can go to work only if you cannot work from home and must maintain social distancing. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

13 minutes ago, AVB said:

This has been covered many times. The government do NOT say that only ‘essential’ work should take place (it’s impossible to define essential) but rather have said you can go to work only if you cannot work from home and must maintain social distancing. 

hello, that is what i understood, 

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, that is what i understood, 

Me too.

Life and work carries on, take precautions and measures to mitigate, but continue with your employment/business needs if your unable to do so from home.