British Police During Quarantine

[Danger-Mouse]

Akkad Daily's latest video. Quite frightening how fast some members of our police have become so authoritarian.

Shame they didn't take such an enthusiastic attitude when it came to the grooming gangs.

Shame they're not handing out tickets to each other when they're gathering to clap the NHS or performing stupid dances for TikTok.

Can't actually post the video because of swearing but just search for the title of the thread.

 

[Deker]

I'm not really seeing a lot that they're doing wrong, some people are just being obnoxious to get their 2 minutes of YouTube "fame"

 

[Vince Green]

I think the police are doing a great job dealing with people who's IQ is about on a par with their shoe size.

Its nice to see the police being a bit more proactive, having lived and worked in the States I have seen first hand that tough policing works. People respect them, over there you call them sir not the other way round.   

[clangerman]

the last thing you get from people who fear you is respect but i haven’t seen any problem in the way it’s being policed apart from some forces preventing shooters going out they seem to be doing a good job by and large 

[Dave-G]

Its OK for the police to gather in groups and to drive their cars to the displays of their selfishness, remember they say unnecessary trips are a  risk to NHS staff.

I truly wonder how supposedly intelligent chief constables reckon these supposedly really essential events are less of a risk than a person going alone to a remote field to shoot pests that are damaging crops.

[Raja Clavata]

It's simple, the rules allow the Police to do what they do and they don't allow recreational shooting.

Feel free to lay out a framework where any of the emergency services can effectively do their jobs without coming into contact with other members of the services and members of the public.

[WalkedUp]

A huge police suped-up Ford pickup and armed police just pulled over a 52 plate Transit van outside my office blocking two lanes of an major city road. They all jumped out and he was boxed in with another two police vehicles (one unmarked). I thought it was all going to get exciting until they started doing tread depth checks and then 20 mins later let him on his way... Perhaps they are just bored? 

Edited April 17, 2020 by WalkedUp

[Dave-G]

 

12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

It's simple, the rules allow the Police to do what they do break their own rules and they don't allow recreational shooting. 

Recreational shooting that has a positive effect on crop protection for the benefit of food production whilst being more distant from anyone else than if the shooter stays in close proximity at home with his family.

Feel free to lay out a framework where any of the emergency services can effectively do their jobs without coming into contact with other members of the services and members of the public. But when they feel it good practice to be up close and personal in unessential gatherings it smacks of do as we say not as we do which leads to resentment and disrespect.

 

 

[Walker570]

Nothing has changed in the last 60yrs, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. Been there done that.

[AVB]

32 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

 

Feel free to lay out a framework where any of the emergency services can effectively do their jobs without coming into contact with other members of the services and members of the public.

I appreciate that they need to be in close contact with others as part of their job. However, we are told that any unnecessary contact is a risk and what message does it send to the general public other than “don’t do as I do, do as I say”. 

I’ll judged I think. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by AVB

[Lloyd90]

I detained a man y’day who was actively psychotic and picked up a knife as we started the assessment. 
 

Three coppers attended with us and all rushed in to support with tasers ready to go... luckily not needed but seconds away from use. 
 

All three of them had to be in confined space and were seconds away from having to take this guy down, where they no doubt would of had to all pile onto the guy after tasing him. 
 

They had been in multiple calls like that during the day. They have to get close it’s unavoidable. They have to go into peoples houses and come into contact with things. 

Those same officers then leave after dealing with the stress of that and incidents like that , just for some silly members of the public to comment that they shouldn’t be standing 2m next to each other, or complain that they are walking the beat or sitting on their cars in pairs. These people are actively putting themselves in harms way flat out, the least they need is someone having a tantrum because they can’t do their HOBBY telling them how they’re doing it wrong. 
 

Don’t be so childish! 

[Walker570]

Remember having complaints from a very outspoken Chairlady of the local village parish council about the speed of cars through the village.  For those who do not remember the early sixties saw the advent of radar.  We had just been issued with this great big black box and a clock like dial on top and our Inspector said go test it out see if it works.  I was a motor cyclist at the time so stood about 100yrds down wind of the unit whilst my colleague relayed the speeds of vehicles pasing through the beam.  The first through was a smart Rover saloon at 45mph pulled him in and was about to book him when he announced he was the husband of said lady Council Chairman. Was one of my most enjoyable visits to the Magistrates Court that week.

You win some and lose some.

5 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

I detained a man y’day who was actively psychotic and picked up a knife as we started the assessment. 
 

Three coppers attended with us and all rushed in to support with tasers ready to go... luckily not needed but seconds away from use. 
 

All three of them had to be in confined space and were seconds away from having to take this guy down, where they no doubt would of had to all pile onto the guy after tasing him. 
 

They had been in multiple calls like that during the day. They have to get close it’s unavoidable. They have to go into peoples houses and come into contact with things. 

Those same officers then leave after dealing with the stress of that and incidents like that , just for some silly members of the public to comment that they shouldn’t be standing 2m next to each other, or complain that they are walking the beat or sitting on their cars in pairs. These people are actively putting themselves in harms way flat out, the least they need is someone having a tantrum because they can’t do their HOBBY telling them how they’re doing it wrong. 
 

Don’t be so childish! 

100% well said

[Dave-G]

1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said:

I detained a man y’day who was actively psychotic and picked up a knife as we started the assessment. 
 

Three coppers attended with us and all rushed in to support with tasers ready to go... luckily not needed but seconds away from use. 
 

All three of them had to be in confined space and were seconds away from having to take this guy down, where they no doubt would of had to all pile onto the guy after tasing him. 
 

They had been in multiple calls like that during the day. They have to get close it’s unavoidable. They have to go into peoples houses and come into contact with things. 

Those same officers then leave after dealing with the stress of that and incidents like that , just for some silly members of the public to comment that they shouldn’t be standing 2m next to each other, or complain that they are walking the beat or sitting on their cars in pairs. These people are actively putting themselves in harms way flat out, the least they need is someone having a tantrum because they can’t do their HOBBY telling them how they’re doing it wrong. 
 

Don’t be so childish! 

Childish? No that's blatant Hypocrisy!

You are part of the problem leading to disrespect if you truly feel that organising loads of coppers and their cars in unrequired groups that you would break up if it was done by the public in say a park or street. You seem to be having a day off from your usual sensibility.

[Newbie to this]

It's plain as day, that all those videoing with their phones are in fact freelance journalists working for the likes of the Sun's 'we buy your story' and the police are just harassing them as they go about their key worker journalist work 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Newbie to this

[Lloyd90]

2 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Remember having complaints from a very outspoken Chairlady of the local village parish council about the speed of cars through the village.  For those who do not remember the early sixties saw the advent of radar.  We had just been issued with this great big black box and a clock like dial on top and our Inspector said go test it out see if it works.  I was a motor cyclist at the time so stood about 100yrds down wind of the unit whilst my colleague relayed the speeds of vehicles pasing through the beam.  The first through was a smart Rover saloon at 45mph pulled him in and was about to book him when he announced he was the husband of said lady Council Chairman. Was one of my most enjoyable visits to the Magistrates Court that week.

You win some and lose some.

Love the old name drop... “sorry are you trying to use your position to avoid this? I think that’s an abuse of position!” 
 

 

[Fuddster]

 

Has someone off here  dropped this?

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Fuddster

[Lloyd90]

1 minute ago, Dave-G said:

Childish? No that's blatant Hypocrisy!

You are part of the problem leading to disrespect if you truly feel that organising loads of coppers and their cars in unrequired groups that you would break up if it was done by the public in say a park or street. You seem to be having a day off from your usual sensibility.

15 mins before those coppers were dog piled on top of each other wrestling a dangerous person to the ground. 
 

They stand together and clap. 

15 mins later they’re likely back to scenario from before. 
 

 

Now all those people on the bridge in London was just stupid, and the public should know better.

But ultimately I think the spread of some of the virus is unavoidable and would be so impracticable to stop it entirely it’s not worth thinking about. 
 

I think the whole point is to do as much as we can. If we can reduce crossing it over 90% of the time, it’s amazing progress.  
 

The whole idea of social distancing wasn’t that it would stop the virus entirely... if this herd immunity is still the plan, it actually NEEDS to keep spreading round slowly, with people getting better and then being (hopefully) unable to catch it again and unable to pass it on. 
 

 

 

[Old farrier]

Have we actually seen anything of the seriously ill that have recovered are there any serious after effects? 

[Lloyd90]

28 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Have we actually seen anything of the seriously ill that have recovered are there any serious after effects? 

I’ve seen loads as work in hospital discharge (when not in Mental Health) ... some people, even older people with health conditions have made full recoveries and are going back to how they were managing before. 
 

Some however are dying. I believe the care homes / nursing homes are being hit especially hard, but then they have the oldest and sickest before any of this anyway. 
 

And some undoubtedly will recover but have long term health complications from the virus. 

[Raja Clavata]

Sorry, no offence intended to anyone but in the current climate I think it's somewhat petty minded to get upset about the Police getting involved in the Thursday 8PM coming together.

Regarding the Police breaking their own rules, I think you'll find Joe Public isn't allowed to carry a baton or tazer in public, just as an example.

On crop protection, if your farmer really wanted or needed you on site I would imagine there are ways to go about it - ours offered to put us on his books if we wanted to get out on the fallow bucks for the last two weeks of the season but we politely declined saying we'd only come on site if he really needed us.

What we have seen, through the eyes of the staff still working the farms, is that the deer are already returning to their natural hold up locations - they are normally getting hammered so in the big scheme of things good luck to them.

[Raja Clavata]

24 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Have we actually seen anything of the seriously ill that have recovered are there any serious after effects? 

I'm not a medical bod but I know a bit about blood oxygen levels from my mountaineering escapades - when your blood oxygen saturation is really low then oxygen starvation to the brain can have effects that you don't recover from. For this to happen things have to be really bad and most people would die naturally at that point but I believe some are (un)lucky enough to survive. 

1 hour ago, AVB said:

I’ll judged I think. 

I wouldn't disagree but in the big scheme of things...

[Lloyd90]

27 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Sorry, no offence intended to anyone but in the current climate I think it's somewhat petty minded to get upset about the Police getting involved in the Thursday 8PM coming together.

Regarding the Police breaking their own rules, I think you'll find Joe Public isn't allowed to carry a baton or tazer in public, just as an example.

On crop protection, if your farmer really wanted or needed you on site I would imagine there are ways to go about it - ours offered to put us on his books if we wanted to get out on the fallow bucks for the last two weeks of the season but we politely declined saying we'd only come on site if he really needed us.

What we have seen, through the eyes of the staff still working the farms, is that the deer are already returning to their natural hold up locations - they are normally getting hammered so in the big scheme of things good luck to them.

Very well said. People getting upset that they can’t do what they want so are getting over the top about telling others they are not following the rules. 
 

If people really NEED to go shooting, they can get a written letter from their land owner, give it to the Police / firearms lads in their area stating it is essential and carry on... the ones complaining haven’t done this. 

[AVB]

23 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'm not a medical bod but I know a bit about blood oxygen levels from my mountaineering escapades - when your blood oxygen saturation is really low then oxygen starvation to the brain can have effects that you don't recover from. For this to happen things have to be really bad and most people would die naturally at that point but I believe some are (un)lucky enough to survive. 

I read an article the other day (I’ll try to find it) that was exploring the fact that for many C-19 patients they display very low blood oxygen saturation levels but still function relatively normally (or not as bad as the levels indicate that they should).  They then went along to say that a some patients were therefore being put on ventilation too soon and doctors were being encouraged to “treat the patient and not the (o2) numbers”. 

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, AVB said:

I read an article the other day (I’ll try to find it) that was exploring the fact that for many C-19 patients they display very low blood oxygen saturation levels but still function relatively normally (or not as bad as the levels indicate that they should).  They then went along to say that a some patients were therefore being put on ventilation too soon and doctors were being encouraged to “treat the patient and not the (o2) numbers”. 

That's interesting, if you're able to find the link and share it, that would be great, thanks.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Meanwhile, the Police are doing STERLING work!