British Police During Quarantine

[Dave-G]

Ah righto, stay home, don't go out, don't drive anywhere unless your trip is essential - except for Thursday nights at 8pm when its a great idea to do the opposite for a while to build up to two minutes then gradually disperse and drive somewhere else again.

I think the nurses are great - and most of the police too most of the time by the way.

 

[Westley]

2 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Nothing has changed in the last 60yrs, your damned if you do and damned if you don't. Been there done that.

At least BASC are having a rest though   !    🙄

[AVB]

4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

That's interesting, if you're able to find the link and share it, that would be great, thanks.

found it  

https://www.livescience.com/amp/too-much-ventilator-use-for-covid19-coronavirus-patients.html

[Dave-G]

Just now, Westley said:

At least BASC are having a rest though   !    🙄

[Raja Clavata]

2 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Ah righto, stay home, don't go out, don't drive anywhere unless your trip is essential - except for Thursday nights at 8pm when its a great idea to do the opposite for a while to build up to two minutes then gradually disperse and drive somewhere else again.

I think the nurses are great - and most of the police too most of the time by the way.

 

I read or heard somewhere that you can now drive your car to a place to exercise - good job coz lots of people seemed to be doing it anyway.

[Raja Clavata]

3 minutes ago, AVB said:

found it  

https://www.livescience.com/amp/too-much-ventilator-use-for-covid19-coronavirus-patients.html

Thanks. Blimey. Last expedition I was on one of the guys returned 74% at ~4000m although the leader did say he'd be in ICU at sea level with that reading. Apparently the WHO guideline at sea level is anything below 90% is a medical emergency, presumably for someone otherwise fit and healthy.

I've saved the article, cheers.

[Dave-G]

36 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I read or heard somewhere that you can now drive your car to a place to exercise - good job coz lots of people seemed to be doing it anyway.

That's interesting - If anyone has a link that would be good - a sign things might be getting slightly more sensible, especially if all police chiefs observe it. 

I'll have a quick look for that because it'd probably be OK jumping around doing exercises in a field or picking daisies, or pick your own strawberries, sun bathing or park well away from other people while social distancing and minding one's own business while clearly being seen to be alone.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Dave-G

[Dave-G]

44 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I read or heard somewhere that you can now drive your car to a place to exercise - good job coz lots of people seemed to be doing it anyway.

Many thanks for that heads up - It seems those at the top are becoming more realistic in accepting there are more ways to reduce spread of the virus than staying home.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Many thanks for that heads up - It seems those at the top are becoming more realistic in accepting there are more ways to reduce spread of the virus than staying home.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus

No one stopped doing it around here! Same cars parked in the same places while they walk their dogs. 

[Raja Clavata]

7 minutes ago, Scully said:

No one stopped doing it around here! Same cars parked in the same places while they walk their dogs. 

I'd say the majority round here did, rode past a car park yesterday that would normally have half a dozen cars and there was only one.

16 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Many thanks for that heads up - It seems those at the top are becoming more realistic in accepting there are more ways to reduce spread of the virus than staying home.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus

every little but helps 👍

[Mice!]

I can't believe people are moaning about the police because they can't shoot a few pigeons,  it's quite sad really.

If a few police are getting together to clap, so what, chances are they are sat in a car side by side so the social distancing won't work for them, same as Ambulance and firefighters.

Pretty much everyone could argue that what they do won't impact anyone else, but the government has put a lockdown in place because when asked to stay home a large number of people stuck two fingers up and went out.

I don't think the police should have to be all nicey nice when people are having Bbq's in the countryside or parties at home.

How many would like to attend a RTA then maybe a domestic abuse case, then have someone rant at you because they are playing football in the park and are supposed to be staying home.

[Walker570]

42 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Many thanks for that heads up - It seems those at the top are becoming more realistic in accepting there are more ways to reduce spread of the virus than staying home.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus

I don't believe anyhting The Guardian prints.

[Dave-G]

8 hours ago, Walker570 said:

I don't believe anyhting The Guardian prints.

I've took another look at that Nev: followed a link it highlighted: https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf

Which now opens things up a tad for us.

Going for a run or cycle or practising yoga. Walking in the countryside (doesn't exclude carrying or using a rifle, book, R/C 4x4, back pack, walking stick or anything else) or in cities. Attending an allotment.

Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving). Doesn't exclude carrying or using a rifle or a tin of biscuits or anything else. Sorry about this but some posters seem to imply shooting is the bad part of being alone in a field.

Exercise can come in many forms, including walks. Exercise must involve some movement, but it is acceptable for a person to stop for a break in exercise. However, a very short period of ‘exercise’ to excuse a long period of inactivity may mean that the person is not engaged in ‘exercise’ but in fact something else. It is lawful to drive for exercise.

Not that I want to do much shooting - I just want to help a land manager with pest control on private land that is currently closed to the public during the lockdown who has asked me to do it and it will be helpful to show a need for my calibres on my pending FAC renewal. I won't be able to do that job when the public are allowed back on to the land. The location or circumstance are not going to be stated on here.

 

Also seems if I need some space from the wife I can go down to my brothers place in deepest Cornwall and shoot as much as I like because the D&C constabulary is more supportive towards matters of the countryside. I don't need nor want to go there and won't be - but there does seem to be a recent shift in rationale where people are now permitted to move to a second home or family for example which was dressed up as shockingly irresponsible just a few days ago.

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Dave-G
Made a couple of points better.

[Dave-G]

7 hours ago, Dave-G said:

I've took another look at that Nev: followed a link it highlighted: https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf

Which now opens things up a tad for us.

Going for a run or cycle or practising yoga. Walking in the countryside (doesn't exclude carrying or using a rifle, book, R/C 4x4, back pack, walking stick or anything else) or in cities. Attending an allotment.

Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving). Doesn't exclude carrying or using a rifle or a tin of biscuits or anything else. Sorry about this but some posters seem to imply shooting is the bad part of being alone in a field.

Exercise can come in many forms, including walks. Exercise must involve some movement, but it is acceptable for a person to stop for a break in exercise. However, a very short period of ‘exercise’ to excuse a long period of inactivity may mean that the person is not engaged in ‘exercise’ but in fact something else. It is lawful to drive for exercise.

Not that I want to do much shooting - I just want to help a land manager with pest control on private land that is currently closed to the public during the lockdown who has asked me to do it and it will be helpful to show a need for my calibres on my pending FAC renewal. I won't be able to do that job when the public are allowed back on to the land. The location or circumstance are not going to be stated on here.

 

Also seems if I need some space from the wife I can go down to my brothers place in deepest Cornwall and shoot as much as I like because the D&C constabulary is more supportive towards matters of the countryside. I don't need nor want to go there and won't be - but there does seem to be a recent shift in rationale where people are now permitted to move to a second home or family for example which was dressed up as shockingly irresponsible just a few days ago.

 

This part looks very interesting for anyone doing volunteer work:

There is no requirement to be a key worker or essential worker in order to travel to work. Anyone can travel to work if it is not reasonably possible to work from home. A request from an employer to attend the work place should be sufficient. But there is no requirement for the person to have any written proof of a need to go to work or volunteering. Police should not ask for ID documents or any other kind of document. There is no requirement for volunteers to work for a registered organisation or charity. There is no requirement for the volunteering to be related to COVID-19.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Dave-G
Made a couple of dyslexic points better.

[old man]

10 hours ago, Mice! said:

I can't believe people are moaning about the police because they can't shoot a few pigeons,  it's quite sad really.

If a few police are getting together to clap, so what, chances are they are sat in a car side by side so the social distancing won't work for them, same as Ambulance and firefighters.

Pretty much everyone could argue that what they do won't impact anyone else, but the government has put a lockdown in place because when asked to stay home a large number of people stuck two fingers up and went out.

I don't think the police should have to be all nicey nice when people are having Bbq's in the countryside or parties at home.

How many would like to attend a RTA then maybe a domestic abuse case, then have someone rant at you because they are playing football in the park and are supposed to be staying home.

Too right! 👍

[Old Boggy]

18 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I read or heard somewhere that you can now drive your car to a place to exercise - good job coz lots of people seemed to be doing it anyway.

Cannot do a link but the wording I read was -:

`People can drive to do a country walk but only if the walk is longer than the drive`

That sort of makes sense to avoid people making long drives anywhere.

This was new police guidance apparently, but by which police, I`m not too sure.

OB

 

 

[Raja Clavata]

8 minutes ago, Old Boggy said:

Cannot do a link but the wording I read was -:

`People can drive to do a country walk but only if the walk is longer than the drive`

That sort of makes sense to avoid people making long drives anywhere.

This was new police guidance apparently, but by which police, I`m not too sure.

OB

 

 

Thanks, yes, Dave-G found the link and elaborated on the details. Let's hope people don't abuse it by taking a five hour drive to the lakes or north wales to trek / camp.

In unrelated news I heard that Scottish MRT haven't had a single call out since 22nd March.

[AVB]

20 minutes ago, Old Boggy said:

Cannot do a link but the wording I read was -:

`People can drive to do a country walk but only if the walk is longer than the drive`

That sort of makes sense to avoid people making long drives anywhere.

This was new police guidance apparently, but by which police, I`m not too sure.

OB

 

 

I believe it was the College of Policing who gave the guidance.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 hours ago, Old Boggy said:

Cannot do a link but the wording I read was -:

`People can drive to do a country walk but only if the walk is longer than the drive`

That sort of makes sense to avoid people making long drives anywhere.

This was new police guidance apparently, but by which police, I`m not too sure.

I think this is what you were on about;

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf

Edited April 18, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE

[Danger-Mouse]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I think this is what you were on about;

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf

They missed out virtue signaling on Westminster Bridge. Apparently that's fine too. (Police and the public)

[Dave-G]

Please bear with my partial dyslexia - well I think its more than that - but there is an underlying current in my  defence of shooting being a good reason to shoot in a field alone. I have found it difficult to reach the words to express without making a fudge of things: In clumsy brief, it is that much of the discussions about pest control and crop protection on this forum has been about pigeon shooting - not surprising because of the forum name.

The acquisition and use of shotguns does not require the submission of a good reason for them and thus I can accept that delaying a return to their use will in many circumstances not be a problem for many SGC holders.

FAC holders on the other hand - who I have been trying to voice support for have to PROVE to their chief constable's satisfaction: individual and check-able 'good reason' for each calibre he requires and the specific ammunition type - and has to maintain that good reason and re-submit good reason at each renewal.

I've not been able to express my position that our good reason to acquire and hold firearms is suddenly not a good reason to go out alone to a field to use them under a voluntary agreement with a landowner to control his pests by shooting.  

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Dave-G

[Old farrier]

3 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Please bear with my partial dyslexia - well I think its more than that - but there is an underlying current in my  defence of shooting being a good reason to shoot in a field alone. I have found it difficult to reach the words to express without making a fudge of things: In clumsy brief, it is that much of the discussions about pest control and crop protection on this forum has been about pigeon shooting - not surprising because of the forum name.

The acquisition and use of shotguns does not require the submission of a good reason for them and thus I can accept that delaying a return to their use will in many circumstances not be a problem for many SGC holders.

FAC holders - who I have been trying to voice support for have to PROVE to their chief constable's satisfaction: individual and check-able 'good reason' for each calibre he requires and the specific ammunition type - and has to maintain that good reason and re-submit good reason at each renewal.

I've not been able to express my position that our good reason to acquire and hold firearms is suddenly not a good reason to go out alone to a field to use them under a voluntary agreement with a landowner to control his pests by shooting.  

 

I wouldn’t worry 

your flo is aware of the unprecedented circumstance and a you’re unable to show good reasons at the moment I’m sure it will be taken into consideration upon renewal 

[Mice!]

7 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I've not been able to express my position that our good reason to acquire and hold firearms is suddenly not a good reason to go out alone to a field to use them under a voluntary agreement with a landowner to control his pests by shooting.  

I could be very wrong having never applied for a FAC but your licence is for 5 years isn't it? This has been going on for a few weeks, so I don't see the problem. 

[Dave-G]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

I could be very wrong having never applied for a FAC but your licence is for 5 years isn't it? This has been going on for a few weeks, so I don't see the problem. 

Correct - my five years is almost up. My point is FAC holders have a proven good reason to spend time alone in a field.

[Dougy]

PW members on self a destruct mission. 

 

Looking at some of those in the clip they just seem to be in need of a bit of attention, antagonizing plod for some reaction for the camera. 

 

 

And i think that some members of PW are starting to have withdrawal symptoms from shooting, they too in need of some attention, i also think that they need to get out a bit more.  

 

 

 

Ooo sorry you cant LOL