AVB Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, treetree said: Interesting figures, but what makes a 'case'? Presumably it is a positive test, but what number of those cases did the individual have no, or mild, or moderate symptoms? Both mine and your figures can be correct here; the question is whether we are going to continue putting local areas into lockdown when the number of people needing hospital treatment is so small. Clearly we are seeing a lot less deaths now than earlier in the crisis. Is this because the virus is less dangerous, is it because it’s summer or simply that a lot of the most vulnerable have already died? The government are obviously paranoid over the number of cases but as you say should they be looking at deaths rather than cases. We aren’t the only ones doing so though. The new lockdown in Victoria, Australia was due to 6 deaths, 2 over 70’s, 2 over 80’s and 2 over 90’s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Did anyone see the program in the week with Dr Xand and his twin Chris in the week? 41 years old, fit and healthy but he's being affected by Covid, having to have his heart stopped, it's not all about deaths, cases are rising in the under 30s, probably because they are back out in the pubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, AVB said: We aren’t the only ones doing so though. The new lockdown in Victoria, Australia was due to 6 deaths, 2 over 70’s, 2 over 80’s and 2 over 90’s! Watch the Aus police press conference if you haven't done do already (might be Melbourne). A frightening mentality, choice of language and almost relish at the prospect of trampling all over personal freedoms and civil liberties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Mice! said: Did anyone see the program in the week with Dr Xand and his twin Chris in the week? 41 years old, fit and healthy but he's being affected by Covid, having to have his heart stopped, it's not all about deaths, cases are rising in the under 30s, probably because they are back out in the pubs? Cases may be rising in that age group but deaths are not and looking at the third world countries with young populations, deaths are a magnitude or two lower per million compared to the UK as it is clear that a young healthy immune system is more than capable of fighting the virus successfully when acquired through normal infection routes (this does not include working 8 hour shifts with covid patients where virus burden in environment would be artificially high) Using a 1 in a 10,000 to a 1 in a 100,000 example is not reflective of the fact that 9,999 to 99,999 in a 10,000 to 1,00,000 respectively have no issues with their immune system beating the virus and being asymptomatic or only showing mild symptoms. As the doctors are identical twins, which itself is a high risk of genetic anomalies and which may be undiagnosed until a stressor occurs whilst they may have appeared fit and healthy, they are also not representative of the general population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, AVB said: Clearly we are seeing a lot less deaths now than earlier in the crisis. Is this because the virus is less dangerous, is it because it’s summer or simply that a lot of the most vulnerable have already died? We will only find out definitely in 12 months time once we can look back at figures, but if the extra deaths have just pulled natural mortality forward a few months and we have less deaths later in the year the virus will not have any significance at a population level and will simply take its place among all the other risks if death. I would suspect the latter for everyone who did not shield adequately made up the majority of deaths to date and that any second wave will involve those who did shield early and kept it up, now aquiring the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted August 8, 2020 Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 Surely what we are seeing is just the same outbreak ,it was suppressed by strict lockdown ,which arrested it`s progression but it has now been allowed to gain strength due to the easing of the measures.I see it all as one wave which is being managed to try and keep the numbers of casualties acceptable to the howling media,thus keeping the heat off the politicians..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 This is interesting, the Worldometer projection says we could end up with 1000 deaths a day by November if we dont keep active measures. But based on what ? A slight incline in *** cases , most likely caused by extra testing ? Deaths are still declining , and the practice of making everything a coro death 'if at all possible' continues... https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-cases-in-england-arent-rising-heres-why/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 Again, according to the ONS, the number of deaths for week 31 was below the 5 year average. This is the 7th week in a row that the number of deaths has been lower than average. Which reinforces the view that the increase in CV-19 deaths early in the year was just an acceleration of them death of people who would have died relatively soon anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 Well something stinks, to me it sounds like they don't want a Northwest lockdown so are just keeping quiet. Blackpool was rammed last weekend, Morecambe was apparently busy, the Lakes were busy, people are getting out and about enjoying themselves. But at what cost? Has it been decided that the economy has to get going again? I can agree with that but not if it's going to lead us back to a full blown lockdown, pubs full, people not social distancing. Thankfully were getting tested each week at work now, I don't expect I'm going to pick it up unless it's from someone who has been in the pub all weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 According to local news, a pub in town which had to close a few weeks ago due to an outbreak, was totally due to a young lass who had tested positive but gone out with her mates regardless! Needless to say, she infected them and a few others besides, and that was that. Pub has now reopened but the landlord says it cost her thousands in lost trade and deep cleaning etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scully said: According to local news, a pub in town which had to close a few weeks ago due to an outbreak, was totally due to a young lass who had tested positive but gone out with her mates regardless! Needless to say, she infected them and a few others besides, and that was that. Pub has now reopened but the landlord says it cost her thousands in lost trade and deep cleaning etc. If true, the landlord should sue (along with those infected), for loss of earnings. Maybe there should be some criminal charges brought as well, maybe reckless endangerment, or something along those lines. Edited August 16, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 12/08/2020 at 11:23, Rewulf said: This is interesting, the Worldometer projection says we could end up with 1000 deaths a day by November if we dont keep active measures. But based on what ? A slight incline in *** cases , most likely caused by extra testing ? Deaths are still declining , and the practice of making everything a coro death 'if at all possible' continues... https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-cases-in-england-arent-rising-heres-why/ Worldometer is one of the most respected data collection websites going. Possibly the most respected. If they predict it I will believe it is possible Also the substance of the story that anybody who has ever tested positive for covid will be recorded as a covid death when they die irrespective of cause has largely been discredited. They can find no evidence that it was ever a directive or a policy. It may have been a practice adopted by doctors but it never was and never will be official policy. In the news today Matt Hancock has allegedly axed Public Heath England for incompetence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: If true, the landlord should sue (along with those infected), for loss of earnings. Maybe there should be some criminal charges brought as well, maybe reckless engagement, or something along those lines. But there has to be proof that ‘she’ was the one who infected them! It could be reasoned that there was also someone else there with/without symptoms, it’s one of those things that can’t be proven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: If true, the landlord should sue (along with those infected), for loss of earnings. Maybe there should be some criminal charges brought as well, maybe reckless engagement, or something along those lines. I doubt the landlord knows who she is. I wouldn’t think identification of responsible individuals will be made public knowledge from any official source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Also the substance of the story that anybody who has ever tested positive for covid will be recorded as a covid death when they die irrespective of cause has largely been discredited. They can find no evidence that it was ever a directive or a policy. It may have been a practice adopted by doctors but it never was and never will be official policy. In the news today Matt Hancock has allegedly axed Public Heath England for incompetence It was PHE policy to count all deaths of people who had ever tested positive as Covid deaths. This is why they are now publishing three sets of stats - total, within 60 days of test and within 28 days. One of the reasons that PHE is being scrapped. https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/ Edited August 16, 2020 by AVB Added link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 29/06/2020 at 15:49, The Heron said: The worst offenders are the ones that should be the most carful the ones over 70 don't seem to have any idea of how contagious this Covid 19 is and carry on with no regard for anyone else's safety. SOME OF US DO FRIEND, ITS THE YOUNGER END WHO DON'T GIVE A TOSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, das said: SOME OF US DO FRIEND, ITS THE YOUNGER END WHO DON'T GIVE A TOSS. /\ This Certainly around here - the older (almost all) are notably cautious. The young - some take no precautions at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 the young around here are about as good with a mask as they are with contraception this could kill me (no cheering!) at least the older generation are making a effort to wear one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 I think quite a few of us (due to age and various sundry 'conditions') would be likely to have a pretty rough time, if not worse. It is certainly something I am doing my best to avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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