Zapp Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, mel b3 said: I'm gobsmacked. Do you mean that these people actually come out in the open and try to say that child abuse is ok ? . I sometimes feel like I'm living in some kind of alternative reality . Basically yes. Among them the largest proportion consider themselves "child lovers" rather than abusers. They believe (or at least argue) that children are capable of consent and mutual physical relationships in the same way as adults. It's most often these "child lovers" who end up arguing for changes to the age of consent etc. Their gambit nowadays is that paedophilia is another form of gender/sexuality and like others that were socially unacceptable, it will eventually become normalised. To achieve this they are using a lot of the same arguments that have been put forward for acceptance of gay marriage etc. Its all very cynical and very messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Zapp said: The prosecutors are throwing everything including the kitchen sink at her. I suspect they may well be doing so because they want her to enter a plea deal in exchange for testifying against big fish who have been extensively linked to Maxwell and Epstein... Agreed, but I doubt very much that she will squeal. I'm sure there will be a few wealthy people willing to fund her expensive legal team too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, mel b3 said: We often think that the scummiest people are right at the bottom of the food chain , the junkies and the child molesters etc , but all of this business just goes to show that the top of the food chain is a cesspit as well , the cesspit dwellers just wear better clothes. I'm gobsmacked. Do you mean that these people actually come out in the open and try to say that child abuse is ok ? . I sometimes feel like I'm living in some kind of alternative reality . it is a very strange twisted organisation.....several well know figurers including Harriet Harman and her husband were involved in it.........as Zapp says it was originally set up by a Scottish gay person with the idea to lower the age of consent.......but i believe several other people hijacked it for their own ends and ajendas...........P.I.E.....Pedophile information exchange....... i have tried to understand the aim and the motive behind it..........but im at a total loss as there is so much twisted truth/logic/purpose imbedded in it .....it is very very difficult to understand it has been described as a pedophile speak easy.............it has been described as meeting place for like minded individuales........i could never hope to understand the purpose of it..... so you are not the only one that is gobsmacked...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 There must be an awful lot of 'powerful people' who are concerned about what she may reveal in court. Will she 'know nothing', or will she 'spill all of the beans' (and I'm guessing that there will be a lit to spill)? There must be people for whom the 'spilling the beans' is a big worry. I'm not sure the various vested interests will want to risk her having her day in court in the witness stand. USA prisons have a lot of Covid related illness - will she get ill and succumb to that? There are some very serious doubts about Epstein's suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Zapp said: Basically yes. Among them the largest proportion consider themselves "child lovers" rather than abusers. They believe (or at least argue) that children are capable of consent and mutual physical relationships in the same way as adults. It's most often these "child lovers" who end up arguing for changes to the age of consent etc. Their gambit nowadays is that paedophilia is another form of gender/sexuality and like others that were socially unacceptable, it will eventually become normalised. To achieve this they are using a lot of the same arguments that have been put forward for acceptance of gay marriage etc. Its all very cynical and very messed up. There was some Labour politicians linked to PIE and The National Campaign for Civil Liberties tried tho get the law changed years ago to make it legal. 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: There must be an awful lot of 'powerful people' who are concerned about what she may reveal in court. Will she 'know nothing', or will she 'spill all of the beans' (and I'm guessing that there will be a lit to spill)? There must be people for whom the 'spilling the beans' is a big worry. I'm not sure the various vested interests will want to risk her having her day in court in the witness stand. USA prisons have a lot of Covid related illness - will she get ill and succumb to that? There are some very serious doubts about Epstein's suicide. Exactly, Did Epstein top himself or was he silenced? it was awfully convenient wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: There must be an awful lot of 'powerful people' who are concerned about what she may reveal in court. Will she 'know nothing', or will she 'spill all of the beans' (and I'm guessing that there will be a lit to spill)? There must be people for whom the 'spilling the beans' is a big worry. I'm not sure the various vested interests will want to risk her having her day in court in the witness stand. USA prisons have a lot of Covid related illness - will she get ill and succumb to that? There are some very serious doubts about Epstein's suicide. She's been charged with counts that add up to a potential 35 years. If she wants to avoid or at least heavily reduce that then she's going to have to spill whatever she knows and name names. I would guess there are a few very nervous "Lolita Express" passengers out there atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Vince Green said: There was some Labour politicians linked to PIE and The National Campaign for Civil Liberties tried tho get the law changed years ago to make it legal. Exactly, Did Epstein top himself or was he silenced? it was awfully convenient wasn't it? I wonder if they were discussing this as well Edited July 3, 2020 by discobob dfsadf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: If she wants to avoid or at least heavily reduce that then she's going to have to spill whatever she knows and name names. That certainly seems to be the expectation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486285/Ghislaine-Maxwell-naming-names-former-Epstein-associate-says.html Mind you - after her late fathers record of fraud etc, and all the dodgy friends she seems to have kept, I'm not sure how much a jury will believe ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Someone on Stalking Directory posted this. Not me so I can't take any credit for it. But my it an absolute classic: Quote We’ll all be surprised when Ghislaine decides to commit suicide next week.But not as surprised as Ghislaine will be. Edited July 3, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Mr_Nobody said: The memes have already started for her. Lock her up lock her up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, The Heron said: Lock her up lock her up. Ghislaine or Hilary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: Ghislaine or Hilary? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Yellow Bear said: Yes Good answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: Someone on Stalking Directory posted this. Not me so I can't take any credit for it. But my it an absolute classic: My favourite so far . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Zapp said: Basically yes. Among them the largest proportion consider themselves "child lovers" rather than abusers. They believe (or at least argue) that children are capable of consent and mutual physical relationships in the same way as adults. It's most often these "child lovers" who end up arguing for changes to the age of consent etc. Their gambit nowadays is that paedophilia is another form of gender/sexuality and like others that were socially unacceptable, it will eventually become normalised. To achieve this they are using a lot of the same arguments that have been put forward for acceptance of gay marriage etc. Its all very cynical and very messed up. 8 hours ago, ditchman said: it is a very strange twisted organisation.....several well know figurers including Harriet Harman and her husband were involved in it.........as Zapp says it was originally set up by a Scottish gay person with the idea to lower the age of consent.......but i believe several other people hijacked it for their own ends and ajendas...........P.I.E.....Pedophile information exchange....... i have tried to understand the aim and the motive behind it..........but im at a total loss as there is so much twisted truth/logic/purpose imbedded in it .....it is very very difficult to understand it has been described as a pedophile speak easy.............it has been described as meeting place for like minded individuales........i could never hope to understand the purpose of it..... so you are not the only one that is gobsmacked...... I've been thinking about this for most of the day while I've been working. I just cant fathom any of it , I'm not sure if I should feel upset or angry or disgusted ,I just can't get a handle on it , and I just dont have the words in my vocabulary to say what I think of it. I feel like an alien looking into another world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, mel b3 said: I've been thinking about this for most of the day while I've been working. I just cant fathom any of it , I'm not sure if I should feel upset or angry or disgusted ,I just can't get a handle on it , and I just dont have the words in my vocabulary to say what I think of it. I feel like an alien looking into another world. It is perfectly normal to feel any and all of the above. I got suspended from Twitter for suggesting it wouldnt be a bad thing if a veru vocal MAP activist choked on a sandwich he was describing. That site really is a cesspit, there are all sorts of creeps and weirdos on there and I read somewhere that it's where more than 50% of child porn on the open web reported to the Internet Watch Foundation is found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Just like her very dodgy Edited July 3, 2020 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mel b3 said: I've been thinking about this for most of the day while I've been working. I just cant fathom any of it , I'm not sure if I should feel upset or angry or disgusted ,I just can't get a handle on it , and I just dont have the words in my vocabulary to say what I think of it. I feel like an alien looking into another world. Get your teeth around this then.......................if you delve into it further....you will find that Patricia Hewitt was involved to .....but when it became a hot potatoe she dropped her close association with the paper/document that wanted consentual age to be dropped to 10 years old and also in the paper it was pointed out that the author / authors / supportors wanted incest leagalised........... Edited July 3, 2020 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Look at her late father, the **** never falls far from the dog's backside as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, mick miller said: Look at her late father, the **** never falls far from the dog's backside as they say. ..so erudite...................i mean say what you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, Zapp said: It is perfectly normal to feel any and all of the above. I got suspended from Twitter for suggesting it wouldnt be a bad thing if a veru vocal MAP activist choked on a sandwich he was describing. That site really is a cesspit, there are all sorts of creeps and weirdos on there and I read somewhere that it's where more than 50% of child porn on the open web reported to the Internet Watch Foundation is found. How on earth is it legal to be part of all this and for them to be so open about it. It's bewildering and disturbing . Even more disturbing, is how long will it be until it's considered normal ?, and we're all expected to welcome it ?. The whole sordid mess just doesn't bear thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Mickeydredd said: Agreed, but I doubt very much that she will squeal. I'm sure there will be a few wealthy people willing to fund her expensive legal team too. As was said to me long ago. Never ever forget that whatever the outcome you brief still goes home at 5 o'clock for tea. If there's ever any suggestion of here doing, effectively, a life sentence, and assuming there is something to squeal about, she'll squeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: As was said to me long ago. Never ever forget that whatever the outcome you brief still goes home at 5 o'clock for tea. If there's ever any suggestion of here doing, effectively, a life sentence, and assuming there is something to squeal about, she'll squeal. They need her to tell all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Vince Green said: I'm sure you are right and I'm sure she will become their star witness Andrew must be very worried, he's the big trophy There could be bigger fish to fry closer to home... Edited July 3, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dave-G said: There could be bigger fish to fry closer to home... Yes indeed there could, it looks to me like the FBI are looking to collect scalps 2 hours ago, ditchman said: Get your teeth around this then.......................if you delve into it further....you will find that Patricia Hewitt was involved to .....but when it became a hot potatoe she dropped her close association with the paper/document that wanted consentual age to be dropped to 10 years old and also in the paper it was pointed out that the author / authors / supportors wanted incest leagalised........... You would not be interested in incest if you met my female cousins. But some religions routinely marry cousins to keep the money in the family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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