Complete lock down in England

[AVB]

The good news coming out of this is that I can now furlough myself for the month of lockdown as I put myself on the company  payroll in August. 

[JohnfromUK]

5 hours ago, fern01 said:

They were there but conveniently turned a blind eye to the hundreds at the protest / prayer meeting on Friday outside the French Embassy, no masks, no social distancing at all.

And that is exactly where there is a problem - and they loose public respect.  They will tackle 'easy targets', but blind eye the 'difficult ones' ........ which is unfair and wrong.  It sends the message that if you go as a bullying mob, you will not be stopped.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Could I suggest that this time it will be better covered by the authorities and higher fines and penalties will be handed out.

I reckon the police will be more active throughout November.

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Could I suggest that this time it will be better covered by the authorities and higher fines and penalties will be handed out.

I hope so.

[Smokersmith]

I see further restrictions announced in Portugal and Austria yesterday.

Is conspirator Boris influencing them or the other way round?

Or is it a nightmare to get the balance right🧐

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

I see further restrictions announced in Portugal and Austria yesterday.

Is conspirator Boris influencing them or the other way round?

Or is it a nightmare to get the balance right🧐

 

[Walker570]

12 hours ago, mel b3 said:

just ignore him nev , you dont look a day over 90 mate 

Creep !!

[Fisheruk]

15 hours ago, AVB said:

. I am going to do everything I can to defy the rules.. 

I believe in freedom, but I understand that there are limits to my freedom. My freedom stops where it would impact on somebody else’s freedom. I have no fear of death.  Why should I, in the exercise of my freedom, affect someone else’s freedom to live. That’s just selfishness.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Fisheruk

[Yellow Bear]

3 minutes ago, Fisheruk said:

I believe in freedom, but I understand that there are limits to my freedom. My freedom stops where it would impact on somebody else’s freedom. I have no fear of death.  Why should I, in the exercise of my freedom, affect someone else’s freedom to live. That’s just selfishness.

👍

[mel b3]

1 hour ago, Fisheruk said:

I believe in freedom, but I understand that there are limits to my freedom. My freedom stops where it would impact on somebody else’s freedom. I have no fear of death.  Why should I, in the exercise of my freedom, affect someone else’s freedom to live. That’s just selfishness.

Well said sir 👏

[AVB]

1 hour ago, Fisheruk said:

I believe in freedom, but I understand that there are limits to my freedom. My freedom stops where it would impact on somebody else’s freedom. I have no fear of death.  Why should I, in the exercise of my freedom, affect someone else’s freedom to live. That’s just selfishness.

Do you get paid every time you mention ‘freedom’? 
 

 

[Capt Christopher Jones]

15 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

Johnson. A clown. How will his announcement this evening that he is now going to extend furlough now going help those who were made redundant earlier this month? What are they going to do? Be given their jobs back that they got made redundant from two weeks ago?

And tomorrow...1 November...back comes VAT on facemasks and other covid protective equipment.

A more useless, clueless and incompetent Prime Minister it'd be hard to find outside of a comedy routine. An still no word of if the self-employed earnings presumption for Universal Credit...due to be re-imposed on 12 November....will now not be re-imposed.

On 14th October, Bozo stood up in Parliament and said
 

"The whole point is to seize this moment now to avoid the misery of another national lockdown,"

"We're going to do it — and I rule out nothing, of course, in combating the virus — but we are going to do it with the local, the regional approach that can drive down and will drive down the virus if it is properly implemented."

And yesterday Bozo inflicted another national lockdown on us

[AVB]

9 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

On 14th October, Bozo stood up in Parliament and said
 

"The whole point is to seize this moment now to avoid the misery of another national lockdown,"

"We're going to do it — and I rule out nothing, of course, in combating the virus — but we are going to do it with the local, the regional approach that can drive down and will drive down the virus if it is properly implemented."

And yesterday Bozo inflicted another national lockdown on us

Yea but just be grateful that the socialists aren’t in power. Then would be dealing with two viruses. Covid and socialism. 

[Yellow Bear]

14 minutes ago, AVB said:

Yea but just be grateful that the socialists aren’t in power. Then would be dealing with two viruses. Covid and socialism. 

You just have to look at Scotland and Wales to see what would happen  -  It would have been a hell of a lot worse!

[Capt Christopher Jones]

19 minutes ago, AVB said:

Yea but just be grateful that the socialists aren’t in power. Then would be dealing with two viruses. Covid and socialism. 

Next time Eh 😁

[Vince Green]

20 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Next time Eh 😁

Never coming back now, they are so last century

[Capt Christopher Jones]

10 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Never coming back now, they are so last century

The sooner we get PR over FPP the better, we may then get consensus government & not a dictatorship as now

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

On 14th October, Bozo stood up in Parliament and said
 

"The whole point is to seize this moment now to avoid the misery of another national lockdown,"

"We're going to do it — and I rule out nothing, of course, in combating the virus — but we are going to do it with the local, the regional approach that can drive down and will drive down the virus if it is properly implemented."

And yesterday Bozo inflicted another national lockdown on us

I don't see what other choice there was?

Too many People haven't followed the don't mix, cases are rising every day. 

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I don't see what other choice there was?

Too many People haven't followed the don't mix, cases are rising every day. 

/\  This.

This virus is a new one - and the first really worldwide pandemic with a new virus for a very long while.  Managing its consequences and controlling its spread is not textbook stuff - it is largely unknown and unproven. 

Personally I think the 'new lockdown' if you want to call it that came to late (and may be too little?), but with many in his own party being against it - Johnson hung around too long.

Now we have it - lets impose it rigorously - because that is the best possible way to keep it's duration as short as possible, minimise pressure on medical service and keep as many people as possible healthy and well.

Breaking rules, mixing and spreading it (even if unknowingly) around is a near enough guaranteed way to prolong the unpleasant restrictions that are now imposed on all of us.

[enfieldspares]

54 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Personally I think the 'new lockdown' if you want to call it that came to late (and may be too little?), but with many in his own party being against it - Johnson hung around too long.

He Johnson is psychologically unfit as he has an overriding desire to be loved, to be liked, he tries to think he's Churchill but he isn't.

Churchill acted if he thought he was right regardless of if he'd be liked or not such as July 1940 when he ordered Operation Catapult the destruction of the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir with the words just before 6pm on that day of "Settle the matter now." to a reluctant Royal Navy.

Johnson if he thinks a decision won't result in him being liked as a result will either not take it or delay it. If you are PM you are paid to make weigh up and accept, dismiss, or in part select the evidence and choices presented. Then you alone make the decisions and take the consequences and not afterwards hide behind those below you.

[JohnfromUK]

17 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Johnson if he thinks a decision won't result in him being liked as a result will either not take it or delay it.

I think all (well most) current politicians are like that.  Actually, probably the fastest acting on this particular subject has been Sturgeon, but I suspect that may have more to do with trying to 'outflank' the other leaders by doing what she thinks (or more truthfully it is leaked that) they will a little earlier than genuine decision making.  She is nevertheless a clever operator, unlike the Welsh First Minister.

[oowee]

3 hours ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

The sooner we get PR over FPP the better, we may then get consensus government & not a dictatorship as now

👍👍👍 ^^^^^ this. We need to get away from being led by T.... A cross party or at least cross nation group would have us all on the same page. Decent enforcement and a cause we can believe in not different rules depending on where you are, what you do for a job.

When our donkey was on yesterday I just could not help myself laughing at so much carp being spouted until I remembered that we are all on the receiving end of it.

[JohnfromUK]

There was a vote on PR in 2011 and it was soundly defeated.

[Vince Green]

PR doesn't work, it would mean living in a permanently hung parliament

[AVB]

This was an article in today’s Telegraph which is getting the support of a number of MP’s. 

I supported shutting down the country last spring, but we are in a very different situation now

I was in favour of a national lockdown in the spring. I am not now, for six main reasons.

Covid is not a very dangerous disease for most people. The death rate is probably around 0.2 per cent of those infected, and most who die are elderly and suffering from other medical conditions. The mortality of those in hospital with Covid has almost halved for the over 80s since the start of the epidemic as treatment has improved.

Lockdowns are lethal. They cause more deathsfrom cancer, heart disease and suicide as well as job losses, bankruptcies, social disintegration and mental illness especially among the young, who are at least risk from the virus. In April sunshine, many people and firms could cope for a short period – once. Today, in November rain, the pain will be far worse. I will be all right, living in a rural area and able to work online, but what of those who started restaurants or live alone in small flats?

There is overwhelming support in the scientific community for national lockdown, say scientists, but the scientific community and the civil service are on secure public-sector salaries and think in top-down ways.

The first lockdown may not have achieved as much as claimed. The death rate peaked on April 8, just 16 days after lockdown began, implying that voluntary social distancing had already worked: deaths lag infection by four weeks on average. Infectivity is highly uneven so depleting the superspreaders, who tend to get infected earlier, slows the spread. Sweden and Norway are seeing much smaller second waves because they did not lock down so harshly, and no, it’s not because they live in huts in the forest or never hug each other: Sweden is a slightly more urbanised society than Britain.

 

There is an alternative strategy: protect the vulnerable. In the first wave, because of insufficient protective equipment and testing, health workers carried the virus between care homes and between hospital beds. As the entrepreneur Hugh Osmond points out: “Protecting all hospital and care home patients means protecting around 550,000 people in 12,500 known locations. This could prevent 75 per cent of all Covid fatalities. As opposed to trying to stop infections in 67 million people by shutting down society, with untold consequences.”

As Lord Sumption has argued, democracy itself is at risk. The Government has given itself powers to rule by decree, under a Health Protection Act intended for restricting the movements of infected people, not healthy people. Police forces have the power to issue on-the-spot fines of up to an unprecedented £10,000.

Finally, the second wave shows signs of slowing. In Nottingham, Liverpool and Newcastle the surge of infections that came with students has already peaked. “While cases are still rising across the UK, we want to reassure people that cases have not spiralled out of control, as has been recently reported from other surveys,” says Professor Tim Spector of King’s College London, curator of the widely respected ZOE survey.

A four-week lockdown now will hurt Britain more than the virus and achieve little so it would not be the last.