Raja Clavata Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 The GDP per capita in the UK is ~£30k per year. In 2018 average lifetime earnings for a man was £643k and £380k for a woman. In 2016 the average direct and indirect tax lifetime contribution for each household was £825k. None of these answer you question directly but give some indication as to the massively over inflated cost to the economy of each COVID death in the UK. It's mind boggling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The GDP per capita in the UK is ~£30k per year. In 2018 average lifetime earnings for a man was £643k and £380k for a woman. In 2016 the average direct and indirect tax lifetime contribution for each household was £825k. None of these answer you question directly but give some indication as to the massively over inflated cost to the economy of each COVID death in the UK. It's mind boggling... And your alternative plan would be to just let the virus run free and accept all of the deaths? Edited January 15, 2021 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, fatchap said: Also it is now thought that people who have had covid are immune for around 5 months, but can still contract it but no symptoms and can obviously transmit it, Asymptomatic I think its called. This last point was far from clear based on the descriptions I heard. From my limited understanding of all this if you can contract a disease then you are not immune to it. If you are immune then your body prevents the disease from using your body as a host to replicate and spread, you become a dead end for the virus spread. I suspect the reality is you can transmit it by passing it along via your hands but you are not contributing to the spread through generation of your own viral load of the virus. I don't know why that hasn't been made more clear but I guess it fits the compliance narrative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The GDP per capita in the UK is ~£30k per year. In 2018 average lifetime earnings for a man was £643k and £380k for a woman. In 2016 the average direct and indirect tax lifetime contribution for each household was £825k. None of these answer you question directly but give some indication as to the massively over inflated cost to the economy of each COVID death in the UK. It's mind boggling... It is sadly not the mortality numbers that are the real problem, but the hospitalisation numbers with serious "symptoms". I have not checked for a day or two but IIRC many hospitals were over half full with covid related cases and that is with the restrictions, what would it be without? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchap Posted January 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: This last point was far from clear based on the descriptions I heard. From my limited understanding of all this if you can contract a disease then you are not immune to it. If you are immune then your body prevents the disease from using your body as a host to replicate and spread, you become a dead end for the virus spread. I suspect the reality is you can transmit it by passing it along via your hands but you are not contributing to the spread through generation of your own viral load of the virus. I don't know why that hasn't been made more clear but I guess it fits the compliance narrative? That was from professor on Sky news last night. She put up a pretty good scrap bearing in mind the news presenter was trying his hardest to trip her up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And you alternative plan would be to just let the virus run free and accept all of the deaths? It's not my job to have an alternative plan, I am not in possession of even a small percentage of the facts that would be required to develop such a plan. I'm just looking at the numbers, as I have done in the past, and suggesting that from the data and normalising the data to a monetary basis the cost is disproportionate. I suspect this partly the reason for this "death within 28 days" gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 22 hours ago, Longbower said: Perhaps , Its just natures Western governments way of saying. "There's far too many of you living too long , doing too much damage to me costing us too much money in pensions and healthcare !" There you go FIFY 23 hours ago, wascal said: I always had a thing for Jenny Agutter . At 68 shes nearly ready for the CV19 carousel Im afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, fatchap said: This one discovered in Brazil has mutated to the point that it avoids your bodies own immune system, P1 they are calling it. So lets hope the vaccine's are as good as everybody is hoping. Also it is now thought that people who have had covid are immune for around 5 months, but can still contract it but no symptoms and can obviously transmit it, Asymptomatic I think its called. The Brazilian one is a concern, I don't think enough is know yet as to what impact it has on vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 15/01/2021 at 10:07, Raja Clavata said: Looking beyond the personal tragedies, everything can be normalised to a monetary value - prior to COVID I'd bet the farm nobody would suggest the value of the average UK citizen to be £5M. The figure that should be used is the cost per illness case ........ which is a bit vague as some are asymptomatic - whereas others spend weeks in ICU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 18/01/2021 at 17:07, JohnfromUK said: The figure that should be used is the cost per illness case ........ which is a bit vague as some are asymptomatic - whereas others spend weeks in ICU. It would be another interesting data point but, as you suggest, impossible to quantify in any remotely meaningful way. The UK QALY figure is ~£30k. At an average age of say 80 years and in the most extreme hypothetical sense that's £2.4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hello, did you see the news reference, a new strain of covid, he quoted a 60 year old man, and from a 100 maybe 10 will die, this new strain may get 13 ???? , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did you see the news reference, a new strain of covid, he quoted a 60 year old man, and from a 100 maybe 10 will die, this new strain may get 13 ???? , It was from a 1000, not 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Doom and gloom again. Some evidence. Not conclusive. Medical evidence says the outcome is the same but the numbers seem to indicate that it might be more deadly. what a lot of ********. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: It was from a 1000, not 100. Hello, oh thanks for clarification, even so it is not looking good, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, AVB said: Doom and gloom again. Some evidence. Not conclusive. Medical evidence says the outcome is the same but the numbers seem to indicate that it might be more deadly. what a lot of ********. 100% agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 I see loads of doctors and scientists are slamming Boris/Whitty for making the statement about the new variant being more deadly. They are saying there is little credible evidence of it being the case. And countries are now imposing more restrictions on the U.K. because of the statement. I was a fan of Boris but definitely think he has lost the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 Scare the people as he wants restrictions until Easter...... They are running out of tricks!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 But what if it IS more deadly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, AVB said: I see loads of doctors and scientists are slamming Boris/Whitty for making the statement about the new variant being more deadly. They are saying there is little credible evidence of it being the case. And countries are now imposing more restrictions on the U.K. because of the statement. I was a fan of Boris but definitely think he has lost the plot. AVB be very careful my man & don’t go posting positive news the doom & gloom members will not like it 😀 Edited January 23, 2021 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 22/01/2021 at 19:52, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did you see the news reference, a new strain of covid, he quoted a 60 year old man, and from a 100 maybe 10 will die, this new strain may get 13 ???? , On 22/01/2021 at 19:57, Raja Clavata said: It was from a 1000, not 100. If you mean the Brazilian strain you also need to check out how bad the original strain was there, it took almost a month to get from less than 5% recovery to 85% and it has slowly got down to 97% recovery there. Why? Poverty and a president that didn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, henry d said: If you mean the Brazilian strain you also need to check out how bad the original strain was there, it took almost a month to get from less than 5% recovery to 85% and it has slowly got down to 97% recovery there. Why? Poverty and a president that didn't care. It was in relation to the UK strain. It certainly seems dire in Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: It certainly seems dire in Brazil. But does it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, discobob said: But does it - Depends on perspective I guess and whether or not you’re in the clubs partying or infected with covid and unable to get treated properly. TBF though I’ve visited twice around 20 years ago and it is hard not to party there 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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