Busy morning in the Channel.

[ditchman]

12 minutes ago, London Best said:

Thirty years ago a young Muslim man told me that the long-term Muslim plan was to get as many to the U.K. as possible and over time that nucleus would take over the country by out-breeding us. 

I have no reason to disbelieve him.

isnt the ultimate goal of the muslim faith to dominate the world.............

 

mods ......if this is bordering on religion please feel free to delete

[ditchman]

On 23/08/2021 at 15:20, Vince Green said:

Everybody who eats in a curry house or a Chinese restaurant or has hot food delivered is part of the problem. Or anyone who takes their car to a car wash

Don't complain about illegal immigration and then phone for a takeaway

should we take the same attitude to chinese take-a-ways....sushi bars.....and italian icecream sellars...and chinese laundries...

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

I just can't seem to understand why they want to come to the UK in the first place when they know already they are not wanted.

Because they are told (by various including various 'celebrities', lawyers, and of course the smugglers who make BIG money) - that they are welcomed with free accommodation, weekly money, free health care, free legal assistance to get asylum, free and good education for their kids ........ etc.  Some of it is even true.  It is the painted as the "Promised Land" - which it probably is compared to a stinking refugee camp near Calais where the French make sure they know they are unwelcome there and cannot stay.

10 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

I think they should start towing the boats back to France as soon as they are inrercepted. If anyone threatens to jump overboard then I say let them, when the rest see someone being left to their fate

In which case we would blatantly be breaking International Maritime Law.  Just as with the EEC - we may grumble about soft laws, Human Rights etc, but we do observe them ......... unlike many other nations.  IF other nations were honest and law abiding - the asylum seekers would be given asylum in the first country in which they set foot - which is rarely the UK.

Edited September 9, 2021 by JohnfromUK

[old'un]

29 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

In which case we would blatantly be breaking International Maritime Law.  Just as with the EEC - we may grumble about soft laws, Human Rights etc, but we do observe them ......... unlike many other nations.  IF other nations were honest and law abiding - the asylum seekers would be given asylum in the first country in which they set foot - which is rarely the UK.

Good, its about time we started to take some action (Like Australia) its the only thing they seem to understand, asking them not to come here will not work, relying on the French to stop them is not working “actions speak louder than words” it will not take long before the word gets back that anyone who attempts to come across the channel will will be turned back to France.

[bostonmick]

24 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

In which case we would blatantly be breaking International Maritime Law.  

So is not every eu country that has allowed them to just pass through also not breaking the law.the laws that the eu made.i guess not as even when we were part of that corrupt outfit we were the only bad boys according to the rest of them.escort them back the message will get through.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

Its all been sorted, UK boarder force will be sending them back to France, the French are not very happy about it...https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/priti-patel-to-send-boats-carrying-migrants-to-uk-back-across-channel

Yeah right and pigs might fly.

And in the mean time, the 9.5 milllion of working age on benefits keeps rising.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Newbie to this

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, bostonmick said:

So is not every eu country that has allowed them to just pass through also not breaking the law.the laws that the eu made.

Short answer - Yes they are.

Slightly longer answer.  Some EU countries follow rules, but many - and France in particular have only ever followed what suits them.  It has always been the case.

[Lloyd90]

New strategy in action - Border Force have been training for weeks with the Royal Marines and as of today they are going to be turning back migrant boats to go back to France. 
 

The French are quite obviously going mental about it, saying it is unlawful and dangerous to life … 🤣🤣

 

I think it’s well overdue to told the French to **** ***!!!! 

[12gauge82]

13 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

New strategy in action - Border Force have been training for weeks with the Royal Marines and as of today they are going to be turning back migrant boats to go back to France. 
 

The French are quite obviously going mental about it, saying it is unlawful and dangerous to life … 🤣🤣

 

I think it’s well overdue to told the French to **** ***!!!! 

Unfortunately I don't believe for a second it'll actually happen other than a couple of token turn arounds. Our politicians don't have the stomach for it. 

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Rob85 said:

I think you could be spot on with that right there. I just can't seem to understand why they want to come to the UK in the first place when they know already they are not wanted. Is it because they see it as harder for us to get rid of them because we are an island nation and on our own? 

We do not have enough space or resources to help our own people...hence the new tax that is coming into force. Simply the more we let in...the more that will come. I think they should start towing the boats back to France as soon as they are inrercepted. If anyone threatens to jump overboard then I say let them, when the rest see someone being left to their fate then I doubt many will vote to join them.

I hear this is the proposal and I have never heard such a stupid idea in my life (other than being better off after brixit). 

What do our labotomised govt think will happen?

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

Unfortunately I don't believe for a second it'll actually happen other than a couple of token turn arounds. Our politicians don't have the stomach for it. 

Its such a stupid idea. 

[bostonmick]

11 minutes ago, oowee said:

I hear this is the proposal and I have never heard such a stupid idea in my life (other than being better off after brixit). 

What do our labotomised govt think will happen?

Its such a stupid idea. 

Before brexit we had thousands coming in illegally. So this cannot be blamed on leaving.its simply the few big guns in the eu sticking it to the others.you know their cash cows as we once were

[clangerman]

don’t know which is more insulting gumps pathetic con job attempt with turn arounds or his thinking we are stupid enough to buy it 

[JohnfromUK]

the EEC has a pile of rules (as you would expect) on asylum : https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/common-european-asylum-system_en

One, the Dublin Regulation states "To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,^[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries."  Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping

The UK left the Dublin Regulation with leaving the EEC on 31/12/20.

IF the Dublin regulation was actually applied - the problem would largely go away because few come directly into the UK other than via another EEC country.  However - like so many EU rules - it is treated as 'voluntary' by some member states.

[oowee]

16 minutes ago, bostonmick said:

Before brexit we had thousands coming in illegally. So this cannot be blamed on leaving.its simply the few big guns in the eu sticking it to the others.you know their cash cows as we once were

Certainly not blaming it on Brexit just comparing the two stupid ideas. 

[Rob85]

37 minutes ago, oowee said:

I hear this is the proposal and I have never heard such a stupid idea in my life (other than being better off after brixit). 

What do our labotomised govt think will happen?

Its such a stupid idea. 

Have you got a better idea?

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

Have you got a better idea?

First look at how stuoid this proposal is. Imagine you are in a dinghy and approached by a border control vessel that is going to attempt to tow you back to France, by the longer route you are trying as a result of the UK French agreement. 

What would you do? 

1. Wait in the boat for your tow back to where you came 

2. deflate your dinghy get picked up by the border force boat and taken back to the UK

 

Better idea would be pretty much anything else you can think of. 

I would try 

Incentivise the french for every boat stopped under the existing agreement. Establish an immigration portal in france to process legal claiments. Set an agreed (with the EU) immigration level for the UK with a funded ressetlement plan. Make immigration a defined benefit rather than an unknown fear.

[ditchman]

Just now, oowee said:

First look at how stuoid this proposal is. Imagine you are in a dinghy and approached by a border control vessel that is going to attempt to tow you back to France, by the longer route you are trying as a result of the UK French agreement. 

What would you do? 

1. Wait in the boat for your tow back to where you came 

2. deflate your dinghy get picked up by the border force boat and taken back to the UK

 

Better idea would be pretty much anything else you can think of. 

I would try 

Incentivise the french for every boat stopped under the existing agreement. Establish an immigration portal in france to process legal claiments. Set an agreed (with the EU) immigration level for the UK with a funded ressetlement plan. Make immigration a defined benefit rather than an unknown fear.

liecence to print money.........the french would be laughing all the way to the bank..........cause in a week they would be stopping the same lot.......

the french have now stopped the purchase of all inflatables in the region......HHHhhahahhhahahhahaaa.........the migrants just buy them online and get them delivered DHL now 

[Rob85]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

First look at how stuoid this proposal is. Imagine you are in a dinghy and approached by a border control vessel that is going to attempt to tow you back to France, by the longer route you are trying as a result of the UK French agreement. 

What would you do? 

1. Wait in the boat for your tow back to where you came 

2. deflate your dinghy get picked up by the border force boat and taken back to the UK

 

Better idea would be pretty much anything else you can think of. 

I would try 

Incentivise the french for every boat stopped under the existing agreement. Establish an immigration portal in france to process legal claiments. Set an agreed (with the EU) immigration level for the UK with a funded ressetlement plan. Make immigration a defined benefit rather than an unknown fear.

Or the French....who are already being paid a substantial amount by the UK for extra patrolling .....agree to the British government repatriating all illegal immigrants that are picked up in the Channel back to France immediately after picking them up. Seems fair to me with them having left France in the first place.

An incentive scheme seems more of a way to scam money from Britain. Do you really think the French government would want this immigration battle to end if they were getting free cash from the UK?

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

Better idea would be pretty much anything else you can think of.

Like request the French (and other EU states) follow the (The EUs own) Dublin Regulation?

[Vince Green]

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

Certainly not blaming it on Brexit just comparing the two stupid ideas. 

Brexit has been a great success, you are not still banging that old drum are you?

[oowee]

33 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

Or the French....who are already being paid a substantial amount by the UK for extra patrolling .....agree to the British government repatriating all illegal immigrants that are picked up in the Channel back to France immediately after picking them up. Seems fair to me with them having left France in the first place.

An incentive scheme seems more of a way to scam money from Britain. Do you really think the French government would want this immigration battle to end if they were getting free cash from the UK?

I would go with that if but do you think it likely the French will?

28 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Brexit has been a great success, you are not still banging that old drum are you?

Please. 

[London Best]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

Like TELL the French (and other EU states) follow the (The EUs own) Dublin Regulation?

Fixed it for you!

[clangerman]

48 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Brexit has been a great success, you are not still banging that old drum are you?

brexit was such a success all we got in return for gumps promise brexit would save 350 million is a tax RISE hilarious! 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, London Best said:

Fixed it for you!

If you TELL the French anything - they pretend they don't understand.

It is (in my past experience before retirement) near enough impossible to negotiate with the French.  They pretend they don't understand anything they don't like, talk for ages only to revert to the opening position in the closing sentence, and don't follow the agreement afterwards anyway if it doesn't suit them.

Example (EU not specifically French) - the AZ vaccines delivery schedule - sign up, later find what they have signed up to  doesn't suit them, try and claim the law is wrong - and finally try and falsely rubbish the product as a revenge action.

Utterly despicable.

[London Best]

15 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If you TELL the French anything - they pretend they don't understand.

It is (in my past experience before retirement) near enough impossible to negotiate with the French.  They pretend they don't understand anything they don't like, talk for ages only to revert to the opening position in the closing sentence, and don't follow the agreement afterwards anyway if it doesn't suit them.

Example (EU not specifically French) - the AZ vaccines delivery schedule - sign up, later find what they have signed up to  doesn't suit them, try and claim the law is wrong - and finally try and falsely rubbish the product as a revenge action.

Utterly despicable.

Biggest enemies we have, always have been, always will be.