Channel Migrants

[ditchman]

31 minutes ago, Chris B123 said:

To the people who say, return them to France immediately, please explain how, France isn't going to accept them. the only way to stop it is to take away the reasons they want to come here for, if that means placing them in internment style camps then so be it, don't put them in hotels make their life here as unpleasant as possible, the word would soon get down the line that its not all milk and honey.

you are right in what you say...........but what will happen is the ECHR would get involved and the migrants will litigate...which they have already started to do............

[TIGHTCHOKE]

49 minutes ago, Chris B123 said:

To the people who say, return them to France immediately, please explain how, France isn't going to accept them. the only way to stop it is to take away the reasons they want to come here for, if that means placing them in internment style camps then so be it, don't put them in hotels make their life here as unpleasant as possible, the word would soon get down the line that its not all milk and honey.

Yes indeed, safe but not very pleasant, not too inviting.

Then give them all plenty of phone credit so they can let their mates know.

[old'un]

26 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes indeed, safe but not very pleasant, not too inviting.

Then give them all plenty of phone credit so they can let their mates know.

Isle of Man?

[Rewulf]

6 hours ago, Nuke said:

Yes, they are not really hiding what they are doing but I guess you didn't even bother to look for it since it doesn't fit your agenda?

/M

Well Markus , I did try to look for it, but googling 'Gay Iranians/glued orifices' sent me down a rabbit hole of sexual depravity Id rather not talk about on here, Id say it was educational , but it really wasnt.
So if you do have a link, that would be very helpful, and I can sleep better at night....

You strike me as quite young and idealistic, not unlike myself some 30 years ago, where the world was full of opportunities, and my naivete made me think there wasnt too many people out to take advantage of peoples kindness.
With age comes that creeping realisation, and cynicism , that actually I was very wrong.
They say everyone starts off a lefty , and as you age you swing more to the right, maybe its wisdom and experience working its magic ?

Anyway, ask yourself this question.
Take a couple of thousand 'refugees' they could be a mix of various 3rd world types , or you could try a common race , religion or nationality, they have come from war , persecution, or famine, maybe all three ?
Put them in a community, either alone with no outside interference , or mixed in with the indigenous welcoming populace, I dont believe it matters too much , give them nice housing , money and education, the option to work if they want , it certainly isnt compulsory.
They want for nothing.

Then see how long it takes before that community turns into a ghetto, with rubbish strewn streets, rampant crime, sexual offences through the roof, that nice community will be turned into the place they came from 9 out of 10 times, as tribal infighting creates violence , and a place where the police fear to go.
Its happened in most EU capitals, including suburbs of Oslo and Stockholm.
The ongoing violence in London is driven by 1st and 2nd generation migrants , the drug trade in London is controlled by Albanian and other eastern European migrants .
While it would be stupid to say every migrant creates crime , for every criminal there is a support network of friends, family, or customers, most migrants stick together, and many are beneficiaries or complicit in crime.

These facts are inescapable , and blaming governments , or right wing elements for CAUSING this, is ridiculous.
There is only one thing causing it , and it is UNCONTROLLED migration.

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

Migrants have been brilliant for large companies by artificially lowering employment costs and lowering wages for the working classes, zero hour contracts ect. 

The downsides are huge, loss of NHS capacity, house prices driven up, policing and school places put under strain, infrastructure, traffic. The list goes on and on, but I suppose none of that matters if you have tens of millions or more in disposable income in the bank. 

Question time last night , and the usual hand picked lefty audience , roundly blamed the governments ineptitude at 'handling' the migrant 'crisis' 
Whenever the lone tory tried to explain how the opposition voted down every proposal to fix it , he was spoken over by Bruce , who moved on to another subject.
The continuing theme  was , 'Its the tories fault'
The crisis in the NHS was nothing to do with covid , or the 25 % more  patients it has to cope with over the past 10 years, it was down to the tories , as was education , policing, nothing to do with extra crime , or the increased populace ?

Yet when ASDA chairman pipes up, and says youre doing it all wrong , dont lock them up , put them to work in the fields picking fruit and veg ! No one pulled him up on the stupidity of the idea of letting 10s of 1000s of young men from dubious backgrounds , whose stories and identity have not been properly checked , into the towns and villages of middle England.

What would be the point of an asylum process , when they are already working, or disappearing into the black economy ?

Border force - 'What was your occupation in Syria?'
'Refugee' - 'ISIS terrorist'
Border force - 'Heres a train ticket, go and pick fruit in Norfolk, NEXT'
                         'What was your occupation in Albania ?'
'Refugee' -    'Drug runner, occasional hitman'
Border force - 'Go to London , take a job with Just Eat'

[12gauge82]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Well Markus , I did try to look for it, but googling 'Gay Iranians/glued orifices' sent me down a rabbit hole of sexual depravity Id rather not talk about on here, Id say it was educational , but it really wasnt.
So if you do have a link, that would be very helpful, and I can sleep better at night....

You strike me as quite young and idealistic, not unlike myself some 30 years ago, where the world was full of opportunities, and my naivete made me think there wasnt too many people out to take advantage of peoples kindness.
With age comes that creeping realisation, and cynicism , that actually I was very wrong.
They say everyone starts off a lefty , and as you age you swing more to the right, maybe its wisdom and experience working its magic ?

Anyway, ask yourself this question.
Take a couple of thousand 'refugees' they could be a mix of various 3rd world types , or you could try a common race , religion or nationality, they have come from war , persecution, or famine, maybe all three ?
Put them in a community, either alone with no outside interference , or mixed in with the indigenous welcoming populace, I dont believe it matters too much , give them nice housing , money and education, the option to work if they want , it certainly isnt compulsory.
They want for nothing.

Then see how long it takes before that community turns into a ghetto, with rubbish strewn streets, rampant crime, sexual offences through the roof, that nice community will be turned into the place they came from 9 out of 10 times, as tribal infighting creates violence , and a place where the police fear to go.
Its happened in most EU capitals, including suburbs of Oslo and Stockholm.
The ongoing violence in London is driven by 1st and 2nd generation migrants , the drug trade in London is controlled by Albanian and other eastern European migrants .
While it would be stupid to say every migrant creates crime , for every criminal there is a support network of friends, family, or customers, most migrants stick together, and many are beneficiaries or complicit in crime.

These facts are inescapable , and blaming governments , or right wing elements for CAUSING this, is ridiculous.
There is only one thing causing it , and it is UNCONTROLLED migration.

Question time last night , and the usual hand picked lefty audience , roundly blamed the governments ineptitude at 'handling' the migrant 'crisis' 
Whenever the lone tory tried to explain how the opposition voted down every proposal to fix it , he was spoken over by Bruce , who moved on to another subject.
The continuing theme  was , 'Its the tories fault'
The crisis in the NHS was nothing to do with covid , or the 25 % more  patients it has to cope with over the past 10 years, it was down to the tories , as was education , policing, nothing to do with extra crime , or the increased populace ?

Yet when ASDA chairman pipes up, and says youre doing it all wrong , dont lock them up , put them to work in the fields picking fruit and veg ! No one pulled him up on the stupidity of the idea of letting 10s of 1000s of young men from dubious backgrounds , whose stories and identity have not been properly checked , into the towns and villages of middle England.

What would be the point of an asylum process , when they are already working, or disappearing into the black economy ?

Border force - 'What was your occupation in Syria?'
'Refugee' - 'ISIS terrorist'
Border force - 'Heres a train ticket, go and pick fruit in Norfolk, NEXT'
                         'What was your occupation in Albania ?'
'Refugee' -    'Drug runner, occasional hitman'
Border force - 'Go to London , take a job with Just Eat'

That's the other side of the problem, the media. 

There is a clear bias of reporting, with anything counter to immigration is/has been wonderful for the UK either not talked about, or getting shouted down by calling anyone saying it as racist. Despite the vast majority of the UK wanting to see uncontrolled migration stopped. 

I'm firmly of the belief we're going to need a party like reform in to make any real changes. 

[Newbie to this]

38 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm firmly of the belief we're going to need a party like reform in to make any real changes. 

I think you are right, but I'm not sure even they are capable of sorting the problem. There are too many that will fight tooth and nail for these illegals, with tax payer funding of course.

I still stand by my earlier statement - none that enter the UK illegally, should ever be allowed to stay, or visit for that matter.

[old'un]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Well Markus , I did try to look for it, but googling 'Gay Iranians/glued orifices' sent me down a rabbit hole of sexual depravity Id rather not talk about on here, Id say it was educational , but it really wasnt.
So if you do have a link, that would be very helpful, and I can sleep better at night....

You strike me as quite young and idealistic, not unlike myself some 30 years ago, where the world was full of opportunities, and my naivete made me think there wasnt too many people out to take advantage of peoples kindness.
With age comes that creeping realisation, and cynicism , that actually I was very wrong.
They say everyone starts off a lefty , and as you age you swing more to the right, maybe its wisdom and experience working its magic ?

Anyway, ask yourself this question.
Take a couple of thousand 'refugees' they could be a mix of various 3rd world types , or you could try a common race , religion or nationality, they have come from war , persecution, or famine, maybe all three ?
Put them in a community, either alone with no outside interference , or mixed in with the indigenous welcoming populace, I dont believe it matters too much , give them nice housing , money and education, the option to work if they want , it certainly isnt compulsory.
They want for nothing.

Then see how long it takes before that community turns into a ghetto, with rubbish strewn streets, rampant crime, sexual offences through the roof, that nice community will be turned into the place they came from 9 out of 10 times, as tribal infighting creates violence , and a place where the police fear to go.
Its happened in most EU capitals, including suburbs of Oslo and Stockholm.
The ongoing violence in London is driven by 1st and 2nd generation migrants , the drug trade in London is controlled by Albanian and other eastern European migrants .
While it would be stupid to say every migrant creates crime , for every criminal there is a support network of friends, family, or customers, most migrants stick together, and many are beneficiaries or complicit in crime.

These facts are inescapable , and blaming governments , or right wing elements for CAUSING this, is ridiculous.
There is only one thing causing it , and it is UNCONTROLLED migration.

Question time last night , and the usual hand picked lefty audience , roundly blamed the governments ineptitude at 'handling' the migrant 'crisis' 
Whenever the lone tory tried to explain how the opposition voted down every proposal to fix it , he was spoken over by Bruce , who moved on to another subject.
The continuing theme  was , 'Its the tories fault'
The crisis in the NHS was nothing to do with covid , or the 25 % more  patients it has to cope with over the past 10 years, it was down to the tories , as was education , policing, nothing to do with extra crime , or the increased populace ?

Yet when ASDA chairman pipes up, and says youre doing it all wrong , dont lock them up , put them to work in the fields picking fruit and veg ! No one pulled him up on the stupidity of the idea of letting 10s of 1000s of young men from dubious backgrounds , whose stories and identity have not been properly checked , into the towns and villages of middle England.

What would be the point of an asylum process , when they are already working, or disappearing into the black economy ?

Border force - 'What was your occupation in Syria?'
'Refugee' - 'ISIS terrorist'
Border force - 'Heres a train ticket, go and pick fruit in Norfolk, NEXT'
                         'What was your occupation in Albania ?'
'Refugee' -    'Drug runner, occasional hitman'
Border force - 'Go to London , take a job with Just Eat'

Good post.

I have seen this myself, where you have a high concentration of whatever nationality, they take over an area, serving their own and creating a society within society with little attempt to integrate.

[Rem260]

4 minutes ago, old'un said:

Good post.

I have seen this myself, where you have a high concentration of whatever nationality, they take over an area, serving their own and creating a society within society with little attempt to integrate.

Our lefty/woke society would rather we integrate into their beliefs and culture.

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

That's the other side of the problem, the media. 

There is a clear bias of reporting, with anything counter to immigration is/has been wonderful for the UK either not talked about, or getting shouted down by calling anyone saying it as racist. Despite the vast majority of the UK wanting to see uncontrolled migration stopped. 

I'm firmly of the belief we're going to need a party like reform in to make any real changes. 

The leftist/woke mainstream media bias is throughout the whole of the English speaking westernised world.

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, Penelope said:

The leftist/woke mainstream media bias is throughout the whole of the English speaking westernised world.

A globalist agenda, the same one that didn't want brexit. 

What we need to remember is that people like us are actually in the majority, despite what the news would have you believe. Its why I think we need to start voting for someone else, the Conservatives have had their chance and blown it in my view, a vote for them is a vote for the status quo, nothing will change, just empty soundbites. 

[oowee]

5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 

Question time last night , and the usual hand picked lefty audience , roundly blamed the governments ineptitude at 'handling' the migrant 'crisis' 
Whenever the lone tory tried to explain how the opposition voted down every proposal to fix it , he was spoken over by Bruce , who moved on to another subject.
The continuing theme  was , 'Its the tories fault'
The crisis in the NHS was nothing to do with covid , or the 25 % more  patients it has to cope with over the past 10 years, it was down to the tories , as was education , policing, nothing to do with extra crime , or the increased populace ?

 

Sounds like a fair view of things. The Tories simply don't have a plan for anything. They are incapable of thinking through a problem let alone preparing in advance for what they know is going to happen. 

Covid, Brexit, NHS, Education, Border Force, Policing. Cut everything to the bone and you have no meat to deal with anything properly. 

[henry d]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Sounds like a fair view of things. The Tories simply don't have a plan for anything. They are incapable of thinking through a problem let alone preparing in advance for what they know is going to happen. 

Covid, Brexit, NHS, Education, Border Force, Policing. Cut everything to the bone and you have no meat to deal with anything properly. 

Agreed, and Suela just brushing it off as a broken system. 

[12gauge82]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Sounds like a fair view of things. The Tories simply don't have a plan for anything. They are incapable of thinking through a problem let alone preparing in advance for what they know is going to happen. 

Covid, Brexit, NHS, Education, Border Force, Policing. Cut everything to the bone and you have no meat to deal with anything properly. 

Absolutely spot on, they've payed lip service to the important issue they were elected on.

Promised brexit but delivered a massively watered down version that has not taken advantage of leaving. 

Promised to control immigration and allowed them to continue coming. 

Promised fiscal responsibility and done anything but. 

Continue their woke lefty agendas that very few in the country want to see. 

The list goes on. 

This country needs real change and that won't be coming from any of the big parties. Reform or reclaim is the best I can come up with. 

[Vince Green]

22 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

Migrants have been brilliant for large companies by artificially lowering employment costs and lowering wages for the working classes, zero hour contracts ect. 

The downsides are huge, loss of NHS capacity, house prices driven up, policing and school places put under strain, infrastructure, traffic. The list goes on and on

This ^^^^

[Dave-G]

16 hours ago, oowee said:

Sounds like a fair view of things. The Tories simply don't have a plan for anything. They are incapable of thinking through a problem let alone preparing in advance for what they know is going to happen. 

Covid, Brexit, NHS, Education, Border Force, Policing. Cut everything to the bone and you have no meat to deal with anything properly. 

That's your lefty opinion that you are perfectly entitled to.

My centre right opinion is that woke wets in government and other EU favouring organisations do their utmost to hamper attempts to rectify issues.

Its recently been in the news that politically funded charity boats of migrants are not being allowed to unload their economic migrants refugees in Italy - and possibly Greece/Cyprus too. The migrants are complaining about lack of food that they expect others to provide for them and having to sleep on the decks. If they can halt it in the Med despite lefty scorn being poured onto them we could not let them land on our shores too. 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Dave-G

[old'un]

21 hours ago, Rem260 said:

Our lefty/woke society would rather we integrate into their beliefs and culture.

This is an actual post from a neighbourhood website in the West Midlands.

“Advice wanted.

So my neighbour (council tenant) keeps stealing charity bags from outside homes and even local charity shops.

The family has lots of visitors coming around and trying all these clothes on (very unsanitary I know) etc these bags are stored in their back garden outhouse/shared alley, Also anything metal just gets collected and stored in front and back gardens for months on end. I did ask one what do you do with all this. They replied "we send it back to Africa" (no I'm not racist these people are refugees from Sudan.

I assume some kind of scrap metal thing happening and clothes parcels being made up) but all this trash brings vermin and I think taking charity bags is illegal and quite frankly is devaluing my property. What should I do?”

Think we will get a lot more of this.

[ditchman]

there is nothing you can do ....you would be tried as a racist if you tried....

 

answer ....move

[Dave-G]

41 minutes ago, old'un said:

This is an actual post from a neighbourhood website in the West Midlands.

“Advice wanted.

So my neighbour (council tenant) keeps stealing charity bags from outside homes and even local charity shops.

The family has lots of visitors coming around and trying all these clothes on (very unsanitary I know) etc these bags are stored in their back garden outhouse/shared alley, Also anything metal just gets collected and stored in front and back gardens for months on end. I did ask one what do you do with all this. They replied "we send it back to Africa" (no I'm not racist these people are refugees from Sudan.

I assume some kind of scrap metal thing happening and clothes parcels being made up) but all this trash brings vermin and I think taking charity bags is illegal and quite frankly is devaluing my property. What should I do?”

Think we will get a lot more of this.

LOL, I went to look at a Honda HR-V recently as a potential shooting 4x4 that was described as faultless and excellent. Huh - it had been painted with a roller, the windows wouldn't open, it wouldn't start, and the door locks didn't work. I didn't do any more checks but the African vendor said it was originally intended to send to Africa but his container had been stolen.

[Rem260]

47 minutes ago, old'un said:

This is an actual post from a neighbourhood website in the West Midlands.

“Advice wanted.

So my neighbour (council tenant) keeps stealing charity bags from outside homes and even local charity shops.

The family has lots of visitors coming around and trying all these clothes on (very unsanitary I know) etc these bags are stored in their back garden outhouse/shared alley, Also anything metal just gets collected and stored in front and back gardens for months on end. I did ask one what do you do with all this. They replied "we send it back to Africa" (no I'm not racist these people are refugees from Sudan.

I assume some kind of scrap metal thing happening and clothes parcels being made up) but all this trash brings vermin and I think taking charity bags is illegal and quite frankly is devaluing my property. What should I do?”

Think we will get a lot more of this.

Should report them to the police. It used to be  rife amongst Eastern Europeans doing this with charity collections. A lot of them making good money from it.

[Rewulf]

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63488070.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16676496409072&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-63488070

[Keith 66]

On 04/11/2022 at 11:04, old'un said:

Isle of Man?

I suspect the Manx government would not countenance the idea, not going to be a vote winner! Plus its a nice place.

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

On 04/11/2022 at 11:50, Rewulf said:

Well Markus , I did try to look for it, but googling 'Gay Iranians/glued orifices' sent me down a rabbit hole of sexual depravity Id rather not talk about on here, Id say it was educational , but it really wasnt.
So if you do have a link, that would be very helpful, and I can sleep better at night....

You strike me as quite young and idealistic, not unlike myself some 30 years ago, where the world was full of opportunities, and my naivete made me think there wasnt too many people out to take advantage of peoples kindness.
With age comes that creeping realisation, and cynicism , that actually I was very wrong.
They say everyone starts off a lefty , and as you age you swing more to the right, maybe its wisdom and experience working its magic ?

Anyway, ask yourself this question.
Take a couple of thousand 'refugees' they could be a mix of various 3rd world types , or you could try a common race , religion or nationality, they have come from war , persecution, or famine, maybe all three ?
Put them in a community, either alone with no outside interference , or mixed in with the indigenous welcoming populace, I dont believe it matters too much , give them nice housing , money and education, the option to work if they want , it certainly isnt compulsory.
They want for nothing.

Then see how long it takes before that community turns into a ghetto, with rubbish strewn streets, rampant crime, sexual offences through the roof, that nice community will be turned into the place they came from 9 out of 10 times, as tribal infighting creates violence , and a place where the police fear to go.
Its happened in most EU capitals, including suburbs of Oslo and Stockholm.
The ongoing violence in London is driven by 1st and 2nd generation migrants , the drug trade in London is controlled by Albanian and other eastern European migrants .
While it would be stupid to say every migrant creates crime , for every criminal there is a support network of friends, family, or customers, most migrants stick together, and many are beneficiaries or complicit in crime.

These facts are inescapable , and blaming governments , or right wing elements for CAUSING this, is ridiculous.
There is only one thing causing it , and it is UNCONTROLLED migration.

Question time last night , and the usual hand picked lefty audience , roundly blamed the governments ineptitude at 'handling' the migrant 'crisis' 
Whenever the lone tory tried to explain how the opposition voted down every proposal to fix it , he was spoken over by Bruce , who moved on to another subject.
The continuing theme  was , 'Its the tories fault'
The crisis in the NHS was nothing to do with covid , or the 25 % more  patients it has to cope with over the past 10 years, it was down to the tories , as was education , policing, nothing to do with extra crime , or the increased populace ?

Yet when ASDA chairman pipes up, and says youre doing it all wrong , dont lock them up , put them to work in the fields picking fruit and veg ! No one pulled him up on the stupidity of the idea of letting 10s of 1000s of young men from dubious backgrounds , whose stories and identity have not been properly checked , into the towns and villages of middle England.

What would be the point of an asylum process , when they are already working, or disappearing into the black economy ?

Border force - 'What was your occupation in Syria?'
'Refugee' - 'ISIS terrorist'
Border force - 'Heres a train ticket, go and pick fruit in Norfolk, NEXT'
                         'What was your occupation in Albania ?'
'Refugee' -    'Drug runner, occasional hitman'
Border force - 'Go to London , take a job with Just Eat'

Hello, very good post 👍

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

LOL, I went to look at a Honda HR-V recently as a potential shooting 4x4 that was described as faultless and excellent. Huh - it had been painted with a roller, the windows wouldn't open, it wouldn't start, and the door locks didn't work. I didn't do any more checks but the African vendor said it was originally intended to send to Africa but his container had been stolen.

Hello, is that for just off road on the farm shoot Dave ?

[Old farrier]

30 minutes ago, Keith 66 said:

I suspect the Manx government would not countenance the idea, not going to be a vote winner! Plus its a nice place.

 

We could help the economy in the Falkland Islands 

 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

We could help the economy in the Falkland Islands 

Excellent idea 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

LOL, I went to look at a Honda HR-V recently as a potential shooting 4x4 that was described as faultless and excellent. Huh - it had been painted with a roller, the windows wouldn't open, it wouldn't start, and the door locks didn't work. I didn't do any more checks but the African vendor said it was originally intended to send to Africa but his container had been stolen.

Hello, is that for just off road on the farm shoot Dave ?