Channel Migrants

[JohnfromUK]

11 minutes ago, Good shot? said:

If not, why not, bearing in mind we are all subject to the same international rules are we not? I am being naive?

The UK is very diligent generally in following rules.  Some other EU countries 'pick and choose' what they want to follow so suit their own government/populace preferences and wishes.

[Good shot?]

Thanks John, thought so, so we could ignore elements of the rules that stop us returning illegal immigrants to their last position prior to crossing the channel.

Whats the worst that can happen from “our friends” in Europe or elsewhere for that matter.

[Mice!]

4 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

Yes he was and he was right  i bet Adolf Hitler   is turning in his grave if only we thought of that  Dinghies ::::::: Dinghies 🤣

 

Very good, and apparently so easy.

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Which is why the whole problem would almost vanish if they knew they would be sent straight back to France.  As I said above - the French could easily stop almost all traffic by allowing them to be shipped back.  We pay the French a LOT of money - and for that they should be taking all that cross illegally back.

It really is crazy, we PAY France and they still wave the boats off.

We should be treating it as an invasion,  or anyone arriving on a boat is a potential terrorist, drug smuggler or criminal,  then put them straight back on French beaches.

Unbelievable that almost 45k that we know of have arrived illegally. 

Didn't truck drivers used to get done for having stowaways trying to get across the channel?

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Good shot? said:

so we could ignore elements of the rules that stop us returning illegal immigrants to their last position prior to crossing the channel.

It would be difficult (operationally and physically) to land a ferry load/plane load in a country that refused to receive them. 

[Good shot?]

We evacuated a lot of people from France under more difficult conditions.

Were there is a will there is a way.🤫

These returnees would not want to stop in France anyway.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Good shot?
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[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Good shot? said:

We evacuated a lot of people from France under more difficult conditions.

We’re there is a will there is a way.🤫

 

It is relatively easy (I assume) when the passengers want to travel - but (I suspect) MUCH harder when the passengers are uncooperative. 

You might well be able to load unwilling passengers onto a ferry here (effectively as prisoners), but offloading at a French port where neither the passengers nor the local 'authorities' are cooperating would I think be impossible.

[Good shot?]

I do agree John.

The truth is I have run out of reasons why so called well educated well paid leaders of this once great country cannot do what is needed to resolve this one problem, let alone others. No other political parties have an answer either it is not only a Tory problem.

oh I forgot it has been put on a priority list.

There is no real will to resolve it.

I despair.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Good shot?

[ditchman]

how is it we can kick boris becker out toute de suite...no contest from UCHR.......yet it is impossible for us to kick out an illegal migrant/miscreant

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

It is relatively easy (I assume) when the passengers want to travel - but (I suspect) MUCH harder when the passengers are uncooperative. 

You might well be able to load unwilling passengers onto a ferry here (effectively as prisoners), but offloading at a French port where neither the passengers nor the local 'authorities' are cooperating would I think be impossible.

I'm not so sure, here's the solution. 

Dingy of migrants arrive on UK beach at 2a.m by 3am they have been forcibly relocated back onto French beaches using several shallow draft boats or even newly constructed hover craft built for the purpose. 

The economic migrant invasion is solved in less than a week and our newly formed costal defence force is back in their cosy station for tea and medals! 

What's not to like? 

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Dingy of migrants arrive on UK beach at 2a.m by 3am they have been forcibly relocated back onto French beaches using several shallow draft boats or even newly constructed hover craft built for the purpose.

So UK Gov't owned/leased/operated vessels are entering French territorial waters and carrying out activities against the (expected) orders of the French Gov't?   The French will just pop them on other landing craft and bring them back to UK shores.

[Mice!]

6 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm not so sure, here's the solution. 

Dingy of migrants arrive on UK beach at 2a.m by 3am they have been forcibly relocated back onto French beaches using several shallow draft boats or even newly constructed hover craft built for the purpose. 

The economic migrant invasion is solved in less than a week and our newly formed costal defence force is back in their cosy station for tea and medals! 

What's not to like? 

If only, I'd put the Marines out, nobody lands on our shores, training exercise!

SBS stopping them while still in the French surf would be nice, it's not as if the French fo anything about what goes on on there beaches.

[amateur]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

......It really is crazy, we PAY France and they still wave the boats off........

Although it grieves me to defend French officialdom, when we were in Menton on the Franco-Italian border earlier this year, there was lots of activity by the Police des Frontières, stopping dark folk, demanding papers and removing them from the Ventimiglia to Nice train. They were stopping them walking over the border too.

[Mice!]

1 minute ago, amateur said:

Although it grieves me to defend French officialdom, when we were in Menton on the Franco-Italian border earlier this year, there was lots of activity by the Police des Frontières, stopping dark folk, demanding papers and removing them from the Ventimiglia to Nice train. They were stopping them walking over the border too.

So there trying to stop them coming through France? They aren't stopping them from coming here 

[Cosmicblue]

One keeps reading of Albanian gangs being behind the people smuggling rackets on the French coast - maybe the focus needs to shift to the individuals that are organising the boats on a commercial enterprise scale - cut the problem off at the roots so to speak?

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Cosmicblue said:

One keeps reading of Albanian gangs being behind the people smuggling rackets on the French coast - maybe the focus needs to shift to the individuals that are organising the boats on a commercial enterprise scale - cut the problem off at the roots so to speak?

That would be excellent - and I would guess that the various (UK and other) intelligence agencies know who they are ........ but I doubt we have the 'will' to go and take them out of play.  There was one BIG row when (back in Thatchers time?) some terrorists were taken out in Gibraltar (Operation Flavius) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, amateur said:

Although it grieves me to defend French officialdom, when we were in Menton on the Franco-Italian border earlier this year, there was lots of activity by the Police des Frontières, stopping dark folk, demanding papers and removing them from the Ventimiglia to Nice train. They were stopping them walking over the border too.

Thats because the were heading in the wrong direction, South.
If they were heading north toward Calais, they would have been waved through, and given a croissant.

3 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said:

One keeps reading of Albanian gangs being behind the people smuggling rackets on the French coast - maybe the focus needs to shift to the individuals that are organising the boats on a commercial enterprise scale - cut the problem off at the roots so to speak?

The dinghies are operated by the Kurdish gangs, the Albanians arent strong enough yet to take over , so are paying the Kurds.
Taking these gangs out is problematic , as family members are bought in to fill the spots of those who are arrested.

[amateur]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Thats because the were heading in the wrong direction, South.
If they were heading north toward Calais, they would have been waved through, and given a croissant.

No, no, they were heading for Paris and the North - the national trains run from Nice, and there were plenty of PdF there too.

I guess that it is like trying to plug a sieve.

[Cosmicblue]

26 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

That would be excellent - and I would guess that the various (UK and other) intelligence agencies know who they are ........ but I doubt we have the 'will' to go and take them out of play.  There was one BIG row when (back in Thatchers time?) some terrorists were taken out in Gibraltar (Operation Flavius) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius

Thanks for sharing - locking the fellows up and losing the key would work just as well.

[12gauge82]

50 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

So UK Gov't owned/leased/operated vessels are entering French territorial waters and carrying out activities against the (expected) orders of the French Gov't?   The French will just pop them on other landing craft and bring them back to UK shores.

We're simply returning people who have illegally come to our shores from France. France actively dropping them on our shores would be criminal in itself, I would send the milatry. 

[Dave-G]

We ought to be getting France to stop escorting the overloaded small boats with their obvious intent, bet they don't escort other small craft that aren't overloaded.

[12gauge82]

Besides, I'm not trying to be clever, but my original response was simply pointing out it was logisticaly feasible to achieve. 

[chesterse]

One very simple thing to slow things down. Surely it’s not beyond the capabilities of the French authorities to clamp down on the sale of dinghies. There can’t be that many manufacturers/suppliers but the will to do it is not there.

[Good shot?]

59 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

We're simply returning people who have illegally come to our shores from France. France actively dropping them on our shores would be criminal in itself, I would send the milatry. 

We have the technology to see and register these craft leaving French beaches and as said we should immediately return them to that area.The coast according to the French is too big to see all craft leaving so it is also too big to see craft arriving. The fact that the French will not like it does not matter.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Good shot?

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, anyone caught people smuggling from the French side should be taken out in the channel and thrown in the sea, film it and send to those nationals government 👍

Edited December 15, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper

[Jega]

Stop the benefits and hotels and you'll stop the boats .

Edited December 16, 2022 by Jega