Missing dog walker Nicola Bulley

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

 

No apology for these comments I take it … 

None. 

Let’s wait for the reports and the review of the police handling of the matter.

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body. 

 

[12gauge82]

36 minutes ago, Mungler said:

None. 

Let’s wait for the reports and the review of the police handling of the matter.

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body. 

 

I don't think there's any need for an apology either, you had your opinion and even though I always assumed it was likely a suicide, anyone could have been right. 

Its usually a dog walker that finds a body in a river to be honest. 

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Mungler said:

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body.

So what? The specialist searches were above the weir from the accounts in the press until recently when they widened it to include the downstream area. The body was discovered, again according to reports, in reeds and even if the body had been there all that time side scan sonar wouldn't have seen anything other than reeds. 

Yes the forensic team need to do their work but I would think it likely that the body had spent some time descending and ascending the upper tidal section before ending up in the reeds, it's also interesting to note in the photo of the banking and tree, how far debris is in the branches which gives an idea of the tidal height range. This can hinder any searches as the body can be caught low down and only seen in low water conditions and the police only have a certain number of trained officers yet dog walkers pass regularly and at various tidal stages. 

[Mungler]

Shhhhhhh. Be patient.

There’s more to come.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/nicola-bulley-diver-explains-why-he-failed-to-find-missing-mum-in-river-after-body-pulled-from-the-water/445054?fbclid=IwAR0KVA2W-r8mBr8kQ-b7xVzwxytgFeGhX2WXN43tVXxvUWBpyhSz1xOVj9g

[Bobba]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body. 

Perhaps you could let readers know of your underwater specialist skills which lets you make such a criticism?

I have undertaken searches in both the River Avon (Bristol) and the River Wye. Fortunately not for bodies. When sometimes you can’t see you hand in front of your face I can assure you that it all gets very difficult. They have my appreciation of the work they did.

Edited February 20, 2023 by Bobba

[old'un]

4 hours ago, Mungler said:

None. 

Let’s wait for the reports and the review of the police handling of the matter.

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body. 

 

I am still finding it odd how the body came to be below the weir, I don't think the divers/police did much searching below the weir as I presume they also thought it unlikely the body could have gone over the weir.

As I said in an earlier post the wife and I walked that part of the river many years ago and although I did not pay that much attention to the weir at the time if I remember it was like a concrete wall spanning the river and the water below it did not look deep enough to hide a body.

Guess it will all come out once she as been formally identified, all very sad for the family.

[Rim Fire]

4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't think there's any need for an apology either, you had your opinion and even though I always assumed it was likely a suicide, anyone could have been right. 

Its usually a dog walker that finds a body in a river to be honest. 

Yes everyone  is entitled to there opinion but to call members thick and not use there brains when there's don't   don't agree with yours 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Rim Fire

[Weihrauch17]

4 hours ago, Mungler said:

None. 

Let’s wait for the reports and the review of the police handling of the matter.

3 weeks of specialist searching not to find a body. Dog walkers, find body. 

 

That spot is very close to the road!  Maybe she wasn't in there during the searches, the autopsy will reveal that.

[Bigbob]

Police are still refusing to say its her body . 

[chrisjpainter]

26 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Police are still refusing to say its her body . 

That's no surprise. Imagine if they got that bit wrong...They'd really have to answer to the High Court of Pigeonwatch then. Heads would roll, several officers would be birched and the chief constable would be hunted through the marshes by spaniels - but only if they were prepared to follow their masters into the water.

They'll confirm in due course one way or the other soon enough. Every family with someone missing in that area will be wondering what if, so it's best they don't jump to conclusions. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by chrisjpainter

[Mice!]

28 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

That spot is very close to the road!  Maybe she wasn't in there during the searches, the autopsy will reveal that.

If someone did grab her originally then putting her in the river would be likely. 

But that hopefully only happens in films.

[henry d]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

...the water below it did not look deep enough to hide a body.

As has been said, it's tidal there.

10 minutes ago, Mice! said:

If someone did grab her originally then putting her in the river would be likely. 

But that hopefully only happens in films.

I suppose that could work, however with the world and his wife descending on the place to rubber neck or play amateur CSI along with a large police presence you would need to be a main master criminal. 

 

@chrisjpainter 😆👏

Edited February 20, 2023 by henry d

[old'un]

46 minutes ago, henry d said:

As has been said, it's tidal there.

 

@chrisjpainter 😆👏

but how did she get over the weir?

[Mungler]

3 hours ago, Bobba said:

Perhaps you could let readers know of your underwater specialist skills which lets you make such a criticism?

I have undertaken searches in both the River Avon (Bristol) and the River Wye. Fortunately not for bodies. When sometimes you can’t see you hand in front of your face I can assure you that it all gets very difficult. They have my appreciation of the work they did.

The link I posted, above was from someone who appeared to be in the know. 

It is tragic for sure, but it’s one of those topics of conversation. I went in the local sandwich shop at lunchtime and people were talking about it there.

I don’t know who the quote came from and I’m about to butcher it, but the gist is ‘there cannot be change for the better without dissent’. 

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Edited February 20, 2023 by Mungler

[12gauge82]

59 minutes ago, old'un said:

but how did she get over the weir?

I don't know for sure, but one guess is she could have left the dog and phone by the bench and walk past the weir before entering the water? 

[old'un]

41 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't know for sure, but one guess is she could have left the dog and phone by the bench and walk past the weir before entering the water? 

possibly as everyone had assumed she entered the water by the bench.

[JKD]

It has now been confirmed that the body is that of Nicola Bulley,,,, RIP ☹️

[henry d]

4 hours ago, old'un said:

but how did she get over the weir?

Walked past it jumped in? She knew the area.

[Bigbob]

At least it brings closure for the family 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Come on Mungler, admit you were wrong, very wrong.........................................................

[Gordon R]

Just what has Mungler got wrong? We might never know just how she ended up where she did.

Oddly, the people who found the body were not merely "walkers". One is a psychic from Oldham and his partner who travelled 50 miles to St Michael's.

[Mungler]

10 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Come on Mungler, admit you were wrong, very wrong.........................................................

The chap who carried out the river search has gone on the record (link above) that they searched the river bed top to bottom and the body wasn’t there. He also said that the section (bench to body) was the focus of searches and the police focused on this area - in short he had the river covered (top to bottom) and the police had the banks and reed beds.

He says he’s a search professional and he’s been there, so I’ll hear him out. 
 

8 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Just what has Mungler got wrong? We might never know just how she ended up where she did.

Oddly, the people who found the body were not merely "walkers". One is a psychic from Oldham and his partner who travelled 50 miles to St Michael's.

So, it’s one of these interfering 3rd party meddlers from out of the area who found the body after the police and specialist divers searched for it for 3 weeks?

I wonder if the psychic has an Instagram / tic tok account too? 

This is going to remain the centre of public interest for some time yet.

 

 

 

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

The chap who carried out the river search has gone on the record (link above) that they searched the river bed top to bottom and the body wasn’t there. He also said that the section (bench to body) was the focus of searches and the police focused on this area - in short he had the river covered (top to bottom) and the police had the banks and reed beds.

He says he’s a search professional and he’s been there, so I’ll hear him out. 
 

So, it’s one of these interfering 3rd party meddlers from out of the area who found the body after the police and specialist divers searched for it for 3 weeks?

I wonder if the psychic has an Instagram / tic tok account too? 

This is going to remain the centre of public interest for some time yet.

 

 

 

Not being pedantic but I believe the search specialists only went as far as the weir and beyond that was the police, possibly also the fire service if it was a rescue, police are responsible for body retrieval. 

The river is tidal below the weir so from high to low water a body will follow the flow downstream unless it gets caught up in a strainer (tech term for anything that will stop a person, such as submerged branches, gabion baskets, etc). As yet we don't know if she was caught up in the area she was found and has been there ever since. The problem with finding a person under the water in a tidal stretch is exactly that, the water depth is varying over time so if you search the bankside looking into the water and probing at high tide you could quite easily miss them. 

[Walker570]

Henry....spot on.  Armchair specialists really don't have a clue and until you have been there etc etc.....

 

I saw a photo of the Detective Superintendent and the Chief Constable in the Telegraph this morning which did not give me confidence.

[Mungler]

Oh dear Lord, does no one ever open a link?

In particular the link I posted of the interview with the expert search and rescue diver who actually searched the river? 

 

 

A forensic search expert who said Nicola Bulley was not in the River Wyre has re-stated his belief that she did not drown at the location where her phone was found.

Peter Faulding, chief executive of Specialist Group International (SGI), was commenting on the discovery yesterday of a body in the river about a mile from where she was last seen.

Faulding, who was called in by the family to search the river using sonar, said he still does not believe she drowned near the bench where her phone and dog's harness were found.

He told GB News: “I would like to make it very clear that the police have searched that area with sonar and divers for the last three weeks. We spent four hours searching for Nicola on that strip of the river.

“I categorically confirm that Nicola was not on the river bed, we would have seen her body.

“If it was Nicola, and I hope it's not or whoever it is, the body was found in the reeds not on the river bed and I was clear with the media that our sonar does not search in the reeds.

“They all know that and the police know that there was no sign of Nicola on the bottom.”

In a discussion with Isabel Webster and Eamonn Holmes during Breakfast on GB News, he said: “If Nicola had fallen in at the bench where the phone was found, she would have landed in two feet of water, she would not have drowned at that location.

“I don't believe Nicola went in because the police divers searched that area thoroughly that afternoon and drowning victims go to the bottom, she could not have made it over the weir in a day.

“There's no way and my whole team and other police police have looked at this. It baffled me and I am the one on here today defending my good work to try and help all the families that we do free of charge.

“I want to say again, the police have searched that area along the banks for three weeks thoroughly with divers, using side-scan sonar, and us - and you know there's always a fall guy and it looks like it's me, but I'm not accepting it.

“We've got the sonar imagery of the river bed…we did the best with our ability, but it was not our remit to search the reeds at all. That was the land search teams.”

The discovered body, which has not yet been formally identified, was found on Sunday morning around a mile from where the 45-year-old mortgage adviser was last seen.
Nicola Bulley's disappearance has resulted in a wide-scale police operation

 

 

And here is the link to Peter Faulding's website. I assume that we can agree that he is not an armchair expert?

https://www.specialistgroupinternational.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Mungler