Mungler Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 10 hours ago, ditchman said: Did you get a reply ? Not from the MP but the local chairman (nice bloke). Pleasant glad handling reply. Indeed, through work I’ve seen a dozen matters get to a variety of MPs and the results are always the same - a warm glad handling reply and a summary of ‘it is what it is’ (or in the words of Tony Soprano ‘whaddya gonna do?’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 Tories broke it , not sure starmer can fix it between the 2 of them they couldn't run a bath .... but the fact that reform has won seats I.m.o shows people need / want something to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, hodge911 said: Tories broke it , not sure starmer can fix it between the 2 of them they couldn't run a bath .... but the fact that reform has won seats I.m.o shows people need / want something to change To be fair, Blair broke it, Tories made it worse. Things have been broken for working paleople since the financial crash of 2007/2008, only the very rich have got richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: only the very rich have got richer. One of these days someone will have to define what RICH is in these contexts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, hodge911 said: Tories broke it , not sure starmer can fix it between the 2 of them they couldn't run a bath .... but the fact that reform has won seats I.m.o shows people need / want something to change This. It all needs burning to the ground and starting again, but with what. Look at PR on the contingent and how the Green Party ended up running Germany. First past the post seems increasingly unfit for this age. I’d actually start by reducing the number of MPs to say 100, paying them £500k a year and banning anyone who hasn’t been in or run business / enterprise for a minimum period. No more career politicians please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Mungler said: I’d actually start by reducing the number of MPs to say 100, paying them £500k a year and banning anyone who hasn’t been in or run business / enterprise for a minimum period. No more career politicians please. This -- At least 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: This -- At least 5 years Yes, I've thought that for some time, but I have no idea how you set that (the bit about "been in or run business/enterprise") out in legally 'watertight' rules. I would also like to see a "full to date" NI contribution record and a "full to date" record of income tax being paid either as PAYE or equivalent self employed - but again, don't see how you can legally define this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, hodge911 said: Tories broke it , not sure starmer can fix it between the 2 of them they couldn't run a bath .... but the fact that reform has won seats I.m.o shows people need / want something to change A bit of an interesting fact , I read yesterday in I think it was 89 or could have been 98 seat , reform came second in all of them . Quite amazing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 23 minutes ago, johnphilip said: A bit of an interesting fact , I read yesterday in I think it was 89 or could have been 98 seat , reform came second in all of them . Quite amazing . I can quite believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: One of these days someone will have to define what RICH is in these contexts. I don't think it's hard to define what very wealthy is. It would be a multi millionaire/billionaire. 1 hour ago, johnphilip said: A bit of an interesting fact , I read yesterday in I think it was 89 or could have been 98 seat , reform came second in all of them . Quite amazing . Which is why it wouldn't take much of change in voter dynamics at the next election, to see Reform go from 5 seats to several hundred and become the new party in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: don't think it's hard to define what very wealthy is. It would be a multi millionaire/billionaire. That is not the question I asked - all we hear from the left is tax the rich and the rich got richer. They then proceed to increase tax on all above minimum wage, are these the rich. The very wealthy still get richer under socialism as their money is invested around the world out of reach of "prudent chancellors" and the like that rob the wage earners. Edited July 6 by Yellow Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 27 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: That is not the question I asked - all we hear from the left is tax the rich and the rich got richer. They then proceed to increase tax on all above minimum wage, are these the rich. The very wealthy still get richer under socialism as their money is invested around the world out of reach of "prudent chancellors" and the like that rob the wage earners. Yes I totally get and agree with your point. The point I was making is a factual one, which is average people have become a lot poorer since 2008, while the super rich have become a lot wealthier. Taxing those on under 100k a year more would in my view be completely wrong and taxing those under a million or 2 a year would very little in raising funds. Taxing the super rich would be very difficult to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: That is not the question I asked - all we hear from the left is tax the rich and the rich got richer. They then proceed to increase tax on all above minimum wage, are these the rich. The very wealthy still get richer under socialism as their money is invested around the world out of reach of "prudent chancellors" and the like that rob the wage earners. 🤡 if only that were true. The current Tory tax burden is the highest of any government, since 1949. Fortunately the tories resigned leaving Labour to try and sort out their mess. The Tories have also left tax escalators in place. The OBR forecast the current tax burden to increase to 37.1% by 28/29 making it the highest since 1948. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 Labour can hardly complain about the financial situation they have inherited - karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 with all this talk....ive seen several elections come and go ...and i will tell you now ...its just more of the same old same old......... if with the past manifestos.....if 10% of the promises were kept in the past .....we would all be living in a ******* utopia now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 6 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I can quite believe that. same here On 04/07/2024 at 22:18, Mice! said: I can't believe ITV have got Nicola Sturgeon on the Panel, but they can't ask her things 🙄🙄 But it's looking like SNP are getting a kicking. Little victories. Imagine picking John Swinney for leader he has all the appeal of a wet haddock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 7 hours ago, Mungler said: This. It all needs burning to the ground and starting again, but with what. Look at PR on the contingent and how the Green Party ended up running Germany. First past the post seems increasingly unfit for this age. I’d actually start by reducing the number of MPs to say 100, paying them £500k a year and banning anyone who hasn’t been in or run business / enterprise for a minimum period. No more career politicians please. just make it if you have a criminal record you cant be a MP that should thin them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, Bigbob said: if you have a criminal record It will be against your 'human rights' to be kept on record as a criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.357shooter Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 would like to know who sold of all the gold reserves who started the ball rolling on mass immigration and under which government did we have mass strikes/power cuts and have to sell of everything to pay for it ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, .357shooter said: would like to know who sold of all the gold reserves who started the ball rolling on mass immigration and under which government did we have mass strikes/power cuts and have to sell of everything to pay for it ?. A certain Antony B Liar IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, ditchman said: with all this talk....ive seen several elections come and go ...and i will tell you now ...its just more of the same old same old......... if with the past manifestos.....if 10% of the promises were kept in the past .....we would all be living in a ******* utopia now This 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, ditchman said: with all this talk....ive seen several elections come and go ...and i will tell you now ...its just more of the same old same old......... if with the past manifestos.....if 10% of the promises were kept in the past .....we would all be living in a ******* utopia now I've thought this since I voted tory in 1978 😟 It's like a merry-go-round, except this time it could be the big dipper ! 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 Well he set his stool out in his first speech in the house today… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 On 06/07/2024 at 18:55, JKD said: I've thought this since I voted tory in 1978 😟 It's like a merry-go-round, except this time it could be the big dipper ! 😞 So many say the same and expect a new name to change it all. Like Brexit voting anti establishment in the hope fortunes will change. We need a new electoral process not new hope and prey parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Well he set his stool out in his first speech in the house today… his Stool or stall.................??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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