THETWIG007 Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Out trying to hit some clays on Friday. Had quite a few cartridges go off with a "puff"! Load of **** out the barrel and what looked like bits of wadding left in the ejected cartridge. Ideas? Should of got some photos but was against the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Hello, Keep the empties , either take back or contact Hull Cartridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Had the same issue last year with a box- Contacted Hull and they sent me a box and a few hats Next slab all ok - then another box - that suffered several misfires - Did not want to know - almost as though i was trying it on - offered to swap them - if i sent them back in Got the chaps email address if you want to PM me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 How many did you have out of how many? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 (edited) Are these the 27 gram clay cartridges? If so I tried some and found them unpleasant and "punchy". I am gad I only bough the one box of twenty-five. I would not buy them again. They were nasty. Edited July 28 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 5 hours ago, THETWIG007 said: Out trying to hit some clays on Friday. Had quite a few cartridges go off with a "puff"! Load of **** out the barrel and what looked like bits of wadding left in the ejected cartridge. Ideas? Should of got some photos but was against the clock. Why use such unpleasant language? You could simply have said that you had problems with the cartridges and asked if anyone else had had the same experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 53 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Are these the 27 gram clay cartridges? If so I tried some and found them unpleasant and "punchy". I am gad I only bough the one box of twenty-five. I would not buy them again. They were nasty. Yes mine are TBH they are a brilliant cartridge - other than the issue as above - which i know sounds a bit contradictory I use them on crows and they dont half hit hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-H Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 3 hours ago, jall25 said: Had the same issue last year with a box- Contacted Hull and they sent me a box and a few hats Next slab all ok - then another box - that suffered several misfires - Did not want to know - almost as though i was trying it on - offered to swap them - if i sent them back in Got the chaps email address if you want to PM me You got a better response from hull then I did from eley I reported a box of swollen cartridges..didn't even get a response I would of been happy with a cap or some stickers just the cold shoulder for me 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Just now, Stephen-H said: You got a better response from hull then I did from eley I reported a box of swollen cartridges..didn't even get a response I would of been happy with a cap or some stickers just the cold shoulder for me 😂 TBH Stephen - i really would not have it - I would write to their CEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 i moved away from hull. i bought a few k superfast and a slab of superfast pigeon a few years back and loads of the cartridges were bulged and the crimps were all over the place. they all went off if i recall and smashed clays and killed birds like anything else on the market just poor QC. i did contact hull and they asked for the lot number sent me a few caps and a pin badge. then about 6 months ago i bought a slab of sporting 100. they are a higher quality cartridge and i get on with them but again they went off but the crimp was all over the place on many of them. i get the impression they're running the machines too hard/too fast and the tolerances are shagged out. ill go back to eley when the availability of cheap gamebore 50th dries up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 7 hours ago, THETWIG007 said: Out trying to hit some clays on Friday. Had quite a few cartridges go off with a "puff"! Load of **** out the barrel and what looked like bits of wadding left in the ejected cartridge. Ideas? Should of got some photos but was against the clock. 5 hours ago, jall25 said: Had the same issue last year with a box- Contacted Hull and they sent me a box and a few hats Next slab all ok - then another box - that suffered several misfires - Did not want to know - almost as though i was trying it on - offered to swap them - if i sent them back in Got the chaps email address if you want to PM me If you do decide to take up jall25's offer and email Hull, while you're at it you could ask how it is that they manage to get their pellets to fly, literally in the face of physics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchstone Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 2 hours ago, JDog said: Why use such unpleasant language? You could simply have said that you had problems with the cartridges and asked if anyone else had had the same experience. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-H Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 (edited) 14 hours ago, jall25 said: TBH Stephen - i really would not have it - I would write to their CEO 😂😂 Edited July 29 by Stephen-H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Not the same shells but used thousands of superfast pigeon 29g and 28 bore high pheasant loads and found them absolutely superb shells. A shame you’ve had issues, as said maybe there are some QC problems with some of their loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianWildfowler Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 whenever I put a Hull cartridge through the chronograph its anything but fast never mind super fast. They seem to be the slowest cartridges out there. That's not to say they are not good shells. I prefer slower loads as they pattern better but Superfast? Trade descriptions act! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 I can't stand superfast. I can't even tell you why I don't like them, or why they feel bad, or why I have no faith. I have 2 shooting buddies who swear by them. Ironically the eley thread is showing some issues with fBlack, but I love the TT1 and FBlu and FBlack carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 On 28/07/2024 at 16:09, jall25 said: I use them on crows and they dont half hit hard I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 10 minutes ago, wymberley said: I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. bullseye! 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, wymberley said: I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. That’s very true, confidence is key. Most shells will kill equally when put in the right place, yet we can all find some shells better than others through our particular guns for example and when you’ve fired a lot of the same shell ‘get used to how they perform’ and thus have confidence in them. I know I’ve used the occasional shell in the past that I just haven’t got on with, despite firing plenty of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 16 hours ago, CumbrianWildfowler said: whenever I put a Hull cartridge through the chronograph its anything but fast never mind super fast. They seem to be the slowest cartridges out there. That's not to say they are not good shells. I prefer slower loads as they pattern better but Superfast? Trade descriptions act! The word 'punchy' has been used to describe these. If we assume that the 1500 ft/sec velocity is valid and it was reduced to 1350, then the 1500 energy at 40 yards would be met at 38. The law of diminishing return springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, wymberley said: The word 'punchy' has been used to describe these. If we assume that the 1500 ft/sec velocity is valid and it was reduced to 1350, then the 1500 energy at 40 yards would be met at 38. The law of diminishing return springs to mind. Well i think you are wrong TBH - i can describe them as hard hitting - of course i can I shoot - a lot I usually shoot with 5s or 6s but these little shots - with a denser pattern hit far harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Other than to castigate the OP on his choice of diction may I add that I use Hull superfast 29gram in no.6 shot and nothing else. I am perfectly happy with the outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, wymberley said: I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. There are slight variations to consider such as the antimony content of the shot and the delivery method (some fibre wads are better than other with quad seal etc) that controls the spread of the pattern at distance. I'd say that when people consider one cartridge harder hitting than others, it's more to do with the spread of the pattern at distance than anything else. It's well known that pattern can vary between manufactures given the same shot size and velocity and a tighter pattern will appear to be harder hitting because you've more pellets on target. That said, I'm not an avid user of expensive cartridges and am firmly in the camp of one that cannot tell the difference between cartridges in a blind test. My opening line at the gun shop is usually 'what's the cheapest you have in a 8 shot 28g plastic wad? I'll have a 1000 of those please'. In a recent coaching session I used a bag of leftovers for the session with anything from a 24g 7.5 to a 28g 9 with a piston wad and used them as they came out of my pocket. I can't say a 24g 7.5 closed cup plastic wad was any different on a 60 yard battue than a 28g 8.5 piston or bior type plastic wad. They all took the same amount of lead on the target and all produced hits that varied from slight chips to complete dust. Similarly, on last years syndicate game days I was using whatever came out of the cartridge bag whether that be a 32g 5 Hull High Pheasant Extreme, a 29g 6 pigeon load or some leftover 36g steel 3's I had in there from wildfowling. I couldn't have told you which one was which based on the hits alone. Near enough everything came down providing I did everything right on my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 5 hours ago, wymberley said: The word 'punchy' has been used to describe these. If we assume that the 1500 ft/sec velocity is valid and it was reduced to 1350, then the 1500 energy at 40 yards would be met at 38. The law of diminishing return springs to mind. My final sentence is just a thought that crossed my mind so it can't be said to be wrong. So, what do you feel is wrong about the first two sentences 4 hours ago, jall25 said: Well i think you are wrong TBH - i can describe them as hard hitting - of course i can I shoot - a lot I usually shoot with 5s or 6s but these little shots - with a denser pattern hit far harder I don't shoot a lot - not now, the first 70 years took it out of me somewhat On 28/07/2024 at 18:40, wymberley said: If you do decide to take up jall25's offer and email Hull, while you're at it you could ask how it is that they manage to get their pellets to fly, literally in the face of physics If you wanted to be critical, I'd have thought that this post would have been a good one for discussion. Or is it that you don't appreciate what it is that's being said. 7 hours ago, wymberley said: I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. Or this one perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 10 hours ago, wymberley said: I've never been able to understand how it can be said that when two identical bits of lead are launched at identical speeds when hitting the same target species at an identical distance one can hit harder than the other. They don't, of course. On trying a box for the first time the shooter had a good day and consequently gained the one indefinable and inexplainable all important advantage. Confidence. Not sure what you are rambling on about above this post - but what im saying is the Superfast are not identical to what i normally shoot - so I think they hit crows at distances over decoys very hard - That may be they simply take more pellets than my usual 5/6 - killing and creating feathers to be broken and scattered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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