ditchman Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 well ..its going to be an interesting 4 years... it will put egg on everyones face if he has a chat with his mate Vlad the lad and the Ukraine war ends ??.....the gas starts to runagain...we can get our cooking oil again....and the gas companies will rape us summut chronic...not putting the gas price down to the consumer whilst the raw price has fallen.... people with BAE Systems shares will be throwing themselves out of the windows.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, ditchman said: he gas starts to run again. I think that the main pipes that carry it were 'blown up'. Even if there was agreement, that will take time and money to 're-commission'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 Not sure Trump will be anything but bad news for the UK. I doubt there will be a special relationship and we will be paying as much tariff as everyone else [except China] Nato will loose a main player and finance, I dont think Europe alone will pay for the proxy war with Russia so Ukraine will succumb bringing Russia to European borders. God knows what's going to happen in the middle east. My views but I would be happy if someone points out the pros of this result.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 (edited) 9 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: We spend 60-90 billion a year in foreign military aid, we could build 9 aircraft carriers a year with that money. That kinda of power projection would stop a war before it begins. Of course it's an inconvenient truth that most of that money is spent on US arms in the US. Don't forget that everytime Ukraine fires a shell the Scranton plant makes some money and an employee has another dollar to buy a MAGA cap to shade their eyes from reality. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350087993112 for example. Edited November 6 by LeadWasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 Glad Trump got in, hopefully he will tell the UK where to go and Deport Harry for lying his way into America. As a country we don’t deserve that but as a Labour government we most certainly do. What ever he does for America will be a lot better than Harris would have done ie nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty duck Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, old man said: Just uk style democracy maybe? no just a bunch of rich clowns on an ego trip and when the brown stuff hits the fan they will walk away with more dosh from back handers and greased palms ! Edited November 6 by dainty duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 6 hours ago, Graham M said: – Foreign Secretary David Lammy: In 2017, Lammy called Trump a “racist and KKK/neo-Nazi sympathiser”. I wonder how trump will respond to that *** A year later, the Tottenham MP wrote in Time magazine that he would be protesting against the then-government’s “capitulation to this tyrant in a toupee”, in reference to Mr Trump’s first official visit to the UK. “Trump is not only a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath,” Mr Lammy wrote, “he is also a profound threat to the international order that has been the foundation of Western progress for so long.” @AngelaRayner I am so happy to see the back of Donald Trump, but even more so to see @KamalaHarris as VP. Today women and girls - women and girls of colour in particular - will push their shoulders back, stand up taller and dream bigger. For that we should all be grateful. What an absolute laughing stock our government is. Even if they're right about trump as a person, he is the representative of the USA. To speak about him like that, is to disrespect each and everyone of our American cousins and allies across the Pond. Labour are an absolute disgrace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: I think that the main pipes that carry it were 'blown up'. Even if there was agreement, that will take time and money to 're-commission'. im talking about the gas lines from Russia thro' Ukraine into the EU/Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 17 minutes ago, ditchman said: im talking about the gas lines from Russia thro' Ukraine into the EU/Europe Hello, There were Sabotage on 2 pipes near the Danish Island of Bornholm, I can imagine the damage as those pipes are huge, One of my contract jobs was working on the Natural Gas pipe line , not sure of size but the weld cleaners had to go in and clean the internal butt welds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 23 minutes ago, ditchman said: im talking about the gas lines from Russia thro' Ukraine into the EU/Europe I think a lot of the gas came via the Nordstream pipes which came into Germany from Russia. They werte damaged near Denmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 36 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Even if they're right about trump as a person, he is the representative of the USA. Which is the key thing. When you are dealing on 'Foreign Affairs' and representing HMG as the Foreign Secretary (or in an equivalent shadowing post), when you refer to the President, it is as the chosen head of state of another country. If you hold a position in public life (in Gov't, Opposition, or any other position where you are 'a representative' on behalf of a Country/State, political party, business or even charity - you are always likely to be seen not as speaking for yourself, but for the organisation which the public associates with you. Anyone who represents HMG, their Party, (or for that matter their business or any other 'known organisation') must always bear in mind that anything they may say is likely to be considered as said on behalf of the organisation they represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 10 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: We spend 60-90 billion a year in foreign military aid, we could build 9 aircraft carriers a year with that money. That kinda of power projection would stop a war before it begins. The biggest recipient of US military aid is Israel. But every penny spent on Foreign military aid or Homeland defence ends up as somebody's paycheck somewhere in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, serrac said: Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) “Let people vote for Trump if they want. We’re not going to certify his election anyway. He may be elected, but we’re not going to let him be inaugurated.” Thanks for that Serrac Jamie Raskin has to be one of the slimiest, manipulating egotists on our planet and it is all about becoming very rich and controlling the government and the peopl'es of the united states of america. How do folks think he became a very good litegant and public governer - because he wasnt frightened to poke his nose up all the rich peopl's backsides. Come to think of it, Bliar was the same, converted from being conservative to being a labour manny who told such convincing lies to the populace that we believed him and voted him into power. Now we have that backside starmer and his mate lammy and they will both toady up to trump from now on, WE DO NOT WANT OR NEED THEM AS A GOVERNMENT! i believe it is january 20th when he has to be inaugurated. And they are already saying it will not happen. I think the voice of Americans will then be heard and it will happen. It is best that I stop here or it will turn into a rant. Pushkin Edited November 6 by Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted November 6 Report Share Posted November 6 Perhaps of interest? https://www.newsweek.com/kevin-mccarthy-blames-nancy-pelosi-trump-victory-1981403 So who really was president of the states? and what will she do next to prevent trump becoming in fact the president? Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 10 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Which is the key thing. When you are dealing on 'Foreign Affairs' and representing HMG as the Foreign Secretary (or in an equivalent shadowing post), when you refer to the President, it is as the chosen head of state of another country. If you hold a position in public life (in Gov't, Opposition, or any other position where you are 'a representative' on behalf of a Country/State, political party, business or even charity - you are always likely to be seen not as speaking for yourself, but for the organisation which the public associates with you. Anyone who represents HMG, their Party, (or for that matter their business or any other 'known organisation') must always bear in mind that anything they may say is likely to be considered as said on behalf of the organisation they represent. Absolutely. The unprofessionalism of it is staggering. You would expect more from a tin pot state, let alone top tier UK government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Absolutely. The unprofessionalism of it is staggering. Up-professionalism is right. Whatever your private views, when 'working' you are expected (as part of your 'professional conduct') to comply with the official line. Ultimately, if your private views conflict with your professional duties, you need to resolve that which is likely to involve re-considering your position. Our late Queen set a perfect example; I'm sure she had views on everything 'her' Gov't did ........ from the hunting bill to foreign policy, from taxation matters to legal matters, on job appointments and personalities on referendums etc. What she may have thought or said in private has (rightly) largely remained private - and I've no doubt that she will have done her duty whether her private thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 12 hours ago, dainty duck said: no just a bunch of rich clowns on an ego trip and when the brown stuff hits the fan they will walk away with more dosh from back handers and greased palms ! Maybe best not forget that clowns come in all colours? Their palms usually greased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Absolutely. The unprofessionalism of it is staggering. You would expect more from a tin pot state, let alone top tier UK government. Top tier, that's a good one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 14 hours ago, ditchman said: well ..its going to be an interesting 4 years... it will put egg on everyones face if he has a chat with his mate Vlad the lad and the Ukraine war ends ??.....the gas starts to runagain...we can get our cooking oil again....and the gas companies will rape us summut chronic...not putting the gas price down to the consumer whilst the raw price has fallen.... people with BAE Systems shares will be throwing themselves out of the windows.... Yeah deffo get out of defence stocks and move to mining and oil gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 Buy shares in Makers of drones...............it was interesting to read that the air force was looking at dropping canisters ..that split open and 100's of small drones controlled by AI then flew to their targets.. the face of war is changing so quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 14 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: I think that the main pipes that carry it were 'blown up'. Even if there was agreement, that will take time and money to 're-commission'. Put will be under serious internal pressure to get that gas running again as stealing the counties resources is how they all line their pockets. If Trump comes in and offers to barter a peace deal then Putin might take it. I imagine he’ll want to keep a load of Ukrainian territory … Ukraine won’t be happy with the offer but it Trump tells them take it and no more money or weapons they won’t have much choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 24 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I imagine he’ll want to keep a load of Ukrainian territory … Ukraine won’t be happy with the offer but it Trump tells them take it and no more money or weapons they won’t have much choice. Yes, that's much the thoughts I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 Yes, Ukraine's war funding is about to take a massive hit. Unless we stump up America's share...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 You have been a very naughty boy….now stop this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 37 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Yes, Ukraine's war funding is about to take a massive hit. Unless we stump up America's share...... This is an interesting article from the former US negotiator Kurt Volker on the Russia-Ukraine war...https://kyivindependent.com/trump-to-call-putin-seek-quick-deal-to-end-russia-ukraine-war-says-volker/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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