The THOUGHT POLICE are coming for YOU.

[johnphilip]

21 minutes ago, JKD said:

KNOCK KNOCK !!! 🫣🤫 😆

Oh go on. Then 😀  " who's there "  😀

[JKD]

1 minute ago, johnphilip said:

Oh go on. Then 😀  " who's there "  😀

It's the 'HURTY WORDY POWLICE' !!! 😆🤣

Can't think of an obvious reply 😆😇

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Sir / Madam, we've come to warn you about your use of social media. You've been VERY naughty.

[JKD]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Sir / Madam, we've come to warn you about your use of social media. You've been VERY naughty.

"NO THANKS !" SLAM !!! 🤬😆🤣

[B686]

If they were knocking on my door for that I would make it worth their while and let them get their foot in then SLAM it.

[Gordon R]

The hierarchy of the Police are to blame. I am sure the rank and file Policeman / woman would be embarrassed in having to do such a visit.

They do a thankless job, get criticised from almost all quarters, rarely get praised for serving and protecting and then get headlines for one incident. Whilst it clearly wasn't fair to the grandmother concerned, it isn't fair to the majority of the Police Force.

[mel b3]

2 hours ago, Down South said:

So never! 😝

More often than you might think.

I especially enjoyed telling the councillor that had swapped sides twice , just to keep his nose in the trough.

I must admit , I was rather unpleasant with my appraisal of his treacherous behaviour , 100% honest , but unpleasant. 

[Bigbob]

Labour are **** but you cant post it on Facebook .?

[team tractor]

My parents had their phones removed and searched over my false arrest . They’re in their 70s and after we reported it . Guess what ….

apparently no police were ever there 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, What an absolute disgrace, Manchester of all places where while visiting this lady i dare say more serious crimes were committed in the City

[Bigbob]

Labour got to be in total control it seems .

[Yellow Bear]

3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, What an absolute disgrace, Manchester of all places where while visiting this lady i dare say more serious crimes were committed in the City

Sadly under Andy Burnham Manchester seems to be turning into a socialist republic.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Just now, Yellow Bear said:

Sadly under Andy Burnham Manchester seems to be turning into a socialist republic.

Hello, That seems the way these times, 

[JohnfromUK]

33 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The hierarchy of the Police are to blame. I am sure the rank and file Policeman / woman would be embarrassed in having to do such a visit.

They do a thankless job, get criticised from almost all quarters, rarely get praised for serving and protecting and then get headlines for one incident. Whilst it clearly wasn't fair to the grandmother concerned, it isn't fair to the majority of the Police Force.

This /\

I think that the whole organisation of most forces is top heavy and the people who make the decisions (which seems to be a complex mix of Chief Constables and Police and Crime Commissioners (PCC)) are obsessed with targets set by each other and their political masters.

Our PCC has a staff of 67 people - none of whom do any policing or police administration.  Quite what they do do is shrouded in some mystery, but when there is continual complaint that they don't have enough officers and are continually short of money, I can see 67 posts that could be deleted with no change at all to real policing.

[12gauge82]

16 hours ago, Gordon R said:

The hierarchy of the Police are to blame. I am sure the rank and file Policeman / woman would be embarrassed in having to do such a visit.

They do a thankless job, get criticised from almost all quarters, rarely get praised for serving and protecting and then get headlines for one incident. Whilst it clearly wasn't fair to the grandmother concerned, it isn't fair to the majority of the Police Force.

I disagree. While certainly not all police, many these days are fully indoctrinated into the cause and I'm sure will blindly follow orders regardless if it's the right or wrong thing to do. 

If I was a police officer and was sent out to harass a grandmother for something that wasn't even a crime I'd refuse. 

[JohnfromUK]

56 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm sure will blindly follow orders regardless if it's the right or wrong thing to do. 

If I was a police officer and was sent out to harass a grandmother for something that wasn't even a crime I'd refuse.

It is right (essential even) that the police (should) have a level of discipline such that they do what they are told.  It would be quite impossible if every junior officer only did what 'they thought right', but it goes with that - that they will of course have times when they are having to depend on their own best judgement (particularly when isolated from the command chain, or snap decisions are essential).  I think in this instance that might have been used?

It is a difficult balance, but two things stand out for me;

1. There MUST be discipline and not only following orders when they choose/agree
2. There MUST be a proper allocation of tasks and resources from above that commands loyalty and respect

It is this second point that seems to be lacking (in my view).

[amateur]

56 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

It is right (essential even) that the police (should) have a level of discipline such that they do what they are told.  It would be quite impossible if every junior officer only did what 'they thought right', but it goes with that - that they will of course have times when they are having to depend on their own best judgement (particularly when isolated from the command chain, or snap decisions are essential).  I think in this instance that might have been used?

It is a difficult balance, but two things stand out for me;

1. There MUST be discipline and not only following orders when they choose/agree
2. There MUST be a proper allocation of tasks and resources from above that commands loyalty and respect

It is this second point that seems to be lacking (in my view).

They ought to be able to say "Do you really think that's wise, sir?"

Edited yesterday at 09:03 by amateur

[welsh1]

6 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It is right (essential even) that the police (should) have a level of discipline such that they do what they are told.  It would be quite impossible if every junior officer only did what 'they thought right', but it goes with that - that they will of course have times when they are having to depend on their own best judgement (particularly when isolated from the command chain, or snap decisions are essential).  I think in this instance that might have been used?

It is a difficult balance, but two things stand out for me;

1. There MUST be discipline and not only following orders when they choose/agree
2. There MUST be a proper allocation of tasks and resources from above that commands loyalty and respect

It is this second point that seems to be lacking (in my view).

Orders are given, but you should never follow them blindly, in the Army you are taught to follow orders, but you are also taught to think for yourself, and if you believe an order is wrong you can question it, you can even refuse to do it, true you can end up doing 14 days in clink for refusing, but i have refused an order from an officer which i thought would put peoples lives in danger, i was backed up by my S/Sgt and shown to be correct in refusing the order, the officer was called for a chat with the CO, there would have been no tea and biscuits at that chat.

Blindly following orders is not good for any force.People must think and assess all that they do and are asked to do.

[johnphilip]

Unfortunately  we. Are seeing. Quite a few. Police. Officers  now. Not. Doing. There. Job. Unfortunately  YouTube. Is highlighting this. More people. In the public carry. Phone cameras and using. Them when. Be wrongfully  stopped. 

And the police officer  been heavily  handed . Some with anger issues  and should never have been allowed. In the. Force. Is it becoming. A bit easier  for. Them to stop someone  who they. Think. This could. Be an Easy arrest. Drum up. Something. Petty. Sort. Of well I have. Done something. Today so,thing to write. A report. On.  Remember  lesbian  nana 

And other incidents  pepper spraying. A group  of people. And. Been told. By one. Fellow officer. To walk away. 

There is some amazing and brave officers. That have lost. There lives in the line. Of duty 

But how many cases are been brought  before the polices for. Been heavy  handed  be interesting. To see. How many. 

[spanj]

22 hours ago, Down South said:

So never! 😝

Once a year round here

[mel b3]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Unfortunately  we. Are seeing. Quite a few. Police. Officers  now. Not. Doing. There. Job. Unfortunately  YouTube. Is highlighting this. More people. In the public carry. Phone cameras and using. Them when. Be wrongfully  stopped. 

And the police officer  been heavily  handed . Some with anger issues  and should never have been allowed. In the. Force. Is it becoming. A bit easier  for. Them to stop someone  who they. Think. This could. Be an Easy arrest. Drum up. Something. Petty. Sort. Of well I have. Done something. Today so,thing to write. A report. On.  Remember  lesbian  nana 

And other incidents  pepper spraying. A group  of people. And. Been told. By one. Fellow officer. To walk away. 

There is some amazing and brave officers. That have lost. There lives in the line. Of duty 

But how many cases are been brought  before the polices for. Been heavy  handed  be interesting. To see. How many. 

When I used to take my kids to college.  I used to see the young college kids on the citizenship course . It's a course that's run to get them ready to join the police . They dressed in what seemed to be some kind of paramilitary uniform , and never mingled with the other students.  They really stood out from the crowd , and not in any kind of positive way. I asked my kids about them , and they said that they barely even acknowledge anyone else , apart from the other kids on the same course.

To be a decent police officer,  you need some kind of real life people skills , so I really can't see how being so isolated helps , when you're planning on a carreer that involves dealing with the many faces of the general public. 

It's a bit like politicians that have been groomed for a political life from an early age . They seem to have no understanding of normal people. 

 

[Lloyd90]

23 hours ago, Gordon R said:

The hierarchy of the Police are to blame. I am sure the rank and file Policeman / woman would be embarrassed in having to do such a visit.

They do a thankless job, get criticised from almost all quarters, rarely get praised for serving and protecting and then get headlines for one incident. Whilst it clearly wasn't fair to the grandmother concerned, it isn't fair to the majority of the Police Force.

Well said Gordon. 
 

I want to know which senior officer sent them out. 

50 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

When I used to take my kids to college.  I used to see the young college kids on the citizenship course . It's a course that's run to get them ready to join the police . They dressed in what seemed to be some kind of paramilitary uniform , and never mingled with the other students.  They really stood out from the crowd , and not in any kind of positive way. I asked my kids about them , and they said that they barely even acknowledge anyone else , apart from the other kids on the same course.

To be a decent police officer,  you need some kind of real life people skills , so I really can't see how being so isolated helps , when you're planning on a carreer that involves dealing with the many faces of the general public. 

It's a bit like politicians that have been groomed for a political life from an early age . They seem to have no understanding of normal people. 

 

 

With the pay and way they’re treated being so degraded year on year, you won’t get many people with life experience applying. 
 

Only people who are students or similar poorly paid backgrounds are going in now for a lot of the roles… anyone who’s properly worked and skilled doesn’t want the massive pay cut. 

Especially if you already own a house or have dependents. 

 

 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It is right (essential even) that the police (should) have a level of discipline such that they do what they are told.  It would be quite impossible if every junior officer only did what 'they thought right', but it goes with that - that they will of course have times when they are having to depend on their own best judgement (particularly when isolated from the command chain, or snap decisions are essential).  I think in this instance that might have been used?

It is a difficult balance, but two things stand out for me;

1. There MUST be discipline and not only following orders when they choose/agree
2. There MUST be a proper allocation of tasks and resources from above that commands loyalty and respect

It is this second point that seems to be lacking (in my view).

But what they're being told to do must also be lawful. Going to peoples homes and intimidating them for something that isn't a crime is neither lawful or upholding the values they swear when taking their attestation. 

[JohnfromUK]

24 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

But what they're being told to do must also be lawful.

Which needs to result in measures against the person who gave the orders to do so, not those carrying out their orders.

No organisation can operate if the people at the 'coal face' only carry out the tasks they 'think' is right.  It can't work.  I agree of course that the police must act within the law and uphold values, but that MUST 'flow down from' the leadership, not be made up or interpreted by those who are 'at the coal face'.  They may not be in possession of the whole story, or may have other influencing factors that should not be involved (for example knowing some of the parties).

I don't know where in this particular case the orders originated;

• The senior officers in the station involved responding to a complaint?
• The Chief Constables Team/Office (possibly acting under pressure from the 'offended' councillors - and who should be 'politically unbiased')?
• The Police and Crime Commissioner (who as a nominally politically affiliated appointee seems suspiciously likely) who (I guess) should not be able to order police staff directly as they report to the Chief Constable, but is bound to have 'influence' over the Chief Constable - since he appoints that post - which is very questionable in itself having the Chief Constable appointed by a (locally elected) politically affiliated person.

Once again, it seems to be police 'seniors' making up the rules as they go along.

[amateur]

Well, I'm that sure the officers involved logged it as another "LOB"