Trump and Zelensky Oval Office meeting

[NoBodyImportant]

A while back someone on this forum asked about why I’m not more interested in firearm regulation after a school shooting in California.  I explained that it was 3000 miles away from me.  That would be similar to the UK changing laws after something that happened in Syria.  

[old man]

13 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

This is a forum for adults, and one measure of adult intelligence is being able to hold two apparently conflicting ideas in your head at once.

Putin = bad

but

Zelenskyy = also bad

 

Well. Please help me out here as I don't understand how an invaded country is denounced as bad? Must be my age?

[Newbie to this]

8 minutes ago, old man said:

Well. Please help me out here as I don't understand how an invaded country is denounced as bad? Must be my age?

Iraq, Afghanistan???

[old man]

28 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Iraq, Afghanistan???

Mm, maybe to impose your own so called standards on another country when your own is a cess pit anyway seems strange to me personally. It's always the pursuit of something desired or needed or latetely the desire to impose so called morality or religion that seems behind it.

We should sort out our own mess first maybe?

Being a little irrelevant country now leaves us exposed to the will of others?

 

[Stonepark]

11 hours ago, ordnance said:

He doesn’t want peace at any cost, but there were pople that wanted Britain to surrender to Nazi germany durring WW2. The same appeasement surrender advocates are around today.

The problem is that those against a deal and continuing the war, are this time are literally supporting the Nazi's who were put into power after the Ukranian coup in 2014.

[janner]

Will the inevitable, several millions of refugees flooding out of an european warzone to safer countries be treated as 'legal' humans i wonder.

If i was in eastern ukrania, like anybody that still can i would be preparing to flee right now, 

trump, putin and farage, the three that admire and respect each other so much.

What a stitch up.

Edited March 1 by janner

[12gauge82]

30 minutes ago, Stonepark said:

The problem is that those against a deal and continuing the war, are this time are literally supporting the Nazi's who were put into power after the Ukranian coup in 2014.

Who's for continuing the war? 

Ukraine can't carpitulate under anything Russia wants. If there's to be negotiated peace, Russia is going to have to show movement to. 

Let me ask you, what exactly is Russia prepared to compromise on, because I've seen them offer nothing at all? 

[Stonepark]

3 minutes ago, janner said:

Will the inevitable, several millions of refugees flooding out of an european warzone to safer countries be treated as 'legal' humans i wonder.

If i was in eastern ukrania, like anybody that still can i would be preparing to flee right now, 

trump, putin and farage, the three that admire and respect each other so much.

What a stitch up.

If you follow more than just the MSM you will see that Russia is already rebuilding cities behind the front line and russian supporting residents have already moved back.

At an international diplomacy level you have to work with others to accomplish things, even if you dislike them personally, that is called "REALPOLITIK".

Putin is doing what is best for Russia, Trump is doing what is best for the USA and hopefully form 2029 Farage will be doing what is best for the UK.

Stammer, Macron, Biden were all happy to have a gamble at WWIII and kill everyone just to posture and preen themselves as they virtu-signal their countries into the ground.

 

[janner]

Quislings,

Many coming out of the woodwork soon.

Farage at their lead proclaiming his  support for all things trump and  putin

Edited March 1 by janner

[Stonepark]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

Who's for continuing the war? 

Ukraine can't carpitulate under anything Russia wants. If there's to be negotiated peace, Russia is going to have to show movement to. 

Let me ask you, what exactly is Russia prepared to compromise on, because I've seen them offer nothing at all? 

The compromise is they don't destroy and/or take over the whole country and physically.

Previously Ukraine on Zelenskys orders (before the fighting really began in earnest) intialled the Istanbul agreement (the only outstanding matter to be negotiated later was deployment of Western troops in Ukraine), which confirmed Crimea was Russian, 4 Oblasts were to remain as part of Ukraine but have their own government (autonomous federalisation for lack of a better term), Ukraine was not joining NATO or the EU and the country's goverment would be de-Nazified.

Due to the, treachary of Zelensky,  blood and sacrifice of Russia, any new deal is on worse terms for the Ukranians such that in addition to the above, the 4 oblasts are now Russian. Putin would probably accept the rest as is, but may well ask for Dnipro and Odessa oblasts but not really expect to get them as part of a negoatiation.

For those that don't undertand, there has been no stalemate in the war to date, and there won't be a ceasefire (Russia agreed to those before and was stabbed in the back), if this war continues, Russia having ground down over a million Ukranian troops (dead and severely wounded) is now approaching the position where the Ukrainian army (especiialy now USA has stopped supplies of arms and armaments) to start making large territorial gains over the summer, as the Ukrainian lines of defence are lacking in both manpower and equipment.

Zelensky has 3 options, fight to the death of every last Ukrainian and lose, come to a deal or surrender unconditionally.

12 minutes ago, janner said:

Quislings,

Many coming out of the woodwork soon.

Farage at their lead proclaiming his  support for all things trump and  putin

Quislings are those who work with Nazi's, that would be your team, not Farage, Trump or Putin.

[janner]

Oh dear,

A quisling is a collaborator,

Q. The politician that farage admires the most?.

Edited March 1 by janner

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I cannot see Putin backing down on any thing USA or Nato say, He will just continue another year with more deaths on both sides but Ukraine taking most of the Bombs and Bullets , Putin the Annihilator 

[Bigbob]

23 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I cannot see Putin backing down on any thing USA or Nato say, He will just continue another year with more deaths on both sides but Ukraine taking most of the Bombs and Bullets , Putin the Annihilator 

Surely he must be worried about any terms and conditions America or nato put in place about imports 

[oldypigeonpopper]

9 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Surely he must be worried about any terms and conditions America or nato put in place about imports 

Hello, You most likely right about that Bob, But i cannot see him backing down on Destroying Ukraine , Then he could have the Minerals Free , Putin is just like Hitler but even he got his just rewards, Maybe that is what needs to happen with Putin ??

[Bigbob]

Trumps a fruit cake see  the duty rises he's trying to put on our Whisky and he's supposed to like Britain  , What could he do if he takes a dislike against Putin 

[Eyefor]

Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

.............

 

This is from 1963 !

Edited March 1 by Eyefor

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, Stonepark said:

The compromise is they don't destroy and/or take over the whole country and physically.

Previously Ukraine on Zelenskys orders (before the fighting really began in earnest) intialled the Istanbul agreement (the only outstanding matter to be negotiated later was deployment of Western troops in Ukraine), which confirmed Crimea was Russian, 4 Oblasts were to remain as part of Ukraine but have their own government (autonomous federalisation for lack of a better term), Ukraine was not joining NATO or the EU and the country's goverment would be de-Nazified.

Due to the, treachary of Zelensky,  blood and sacrifice of Russia, any new deal is on worse terms for the Ukranians such that in addition to the above, the 4 oblasts are now Russian. Putin would probably accept the rest as is, but may well ask for Dnipro and Odessa oblasts but not really expect to get them as part of a negoatiation.

For those that don't undertand, there has been no stalemate in the war to date, and there won't be a ceasefire (Russia agreed to those before and was stabbed in the back), if this war continues, Russia having ground down over a million Ukranian troops (dead and severely wounded) is now approaching the position where the Ukrainian army (especiialy now USA has stopped supplies of arms and armaments) to start making large territorial gains over the summer, as the Ukrainian lines of defence are lacking in both manpower and equipment.

Zelensky has 3 options, fight to the death of every last Ukrainian and lose, come to a deal or surrender unconditionally.

Quislings are those who work with Nazi's, that would be your team, not Farage, Trump or Putin.

If you look back, I agree that Ukraine is slowly loosing, despite the narrative you will see in the media being to the contrary. But that's hardly surprising when you look at Ukrainian manpower vs Russias. 

So to get this things right, you believe it's all Ukraines fault for continuing the war, because they won't give up due to being invaded and Russia is in the right because they're prepared to let Ukraine keep the bits of their country that the Russians don't want. 

Please explain this warped logic so I can make heads or tail of this 🤔

3 hours ago, janner said:

Quislings,

Many coming out of the woodwork soon.

Farage at their lead proclaiming his  support for all things trump and  putin

I'm not sure Farage supports any of this, if anything he's been a little quiet on the subject, which says to me he's against Trumps outburst but doesn't want to sour relations. 

[NoBodyImportant]

3 hours ago, janner said:

Will the inevitable, several millions of refugees flooding out of an european warzone to safer countries be treated as 'legal' humans i wonder.

If i was in eastern ukrania, like anybody that still can i would be preparing to flee right now, 

trump, putin and farage, the three that admire and respect each other so much.

What a stitch up.

Eastern Ukraine voted to leave the Ukraine because they wanted to be Russian.  The Ukrainian government started ethnic cleansing the eastern Ukraine region.  That is literally what started this war. Why would eastern Ukrainians flee a Russian occupation when they were wiling to fight and die to escape Ukrainian rule? Ukraine government committed such atrocities in Donetsk and Luhansk that huge protests sprung up in Kyiv.  Have you forgotten about the 2014 revolution?  Eastern Ukraine is 97% Russia speaking.  Ukraine government banned books written in Russian, they ruled that court and all government would be held in Ukrainian,  schools would only be taught in Ukrainian.  This is in a population that didn’t speak Ukrainian.  The Ukrainian constitution agreed to honer any minority over 10% as part of them being granted freedom from the Soviets.  So in accordance to the Ukrainian constitution the states of Donetsk and Luhansk held a vote that was overwhelmingly in support of breaking away from the Ukraine.  This was done in a legal manner according to their on constitution.  In response the Ukrainian government started killing everyone that spoke Russian in the eastern Ukraine.  

[welsh1]

will the usa let china take back taiwan? 

[Dave-G]

4 hours ago, janner said:

Oh dear,

A quisling is a collaborator,

Q. The politician farage that admires the most?.

Where you getting that about Farage from?

Edited March 1 by Dave-G

[SainIT]

I think Trump has only one thing on his mind, a Nobel Peace Prize like Barry got. If that means stepping on a country or on some people, that's just too bad!

[janner]

4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Eastern Ukraine voted to leave the Ukraine because they wanted to be Russian.  The Ukrainian government started ethnic cleansing the eastern Ukraine region.  That is literally what started this war. Why would eastern Ukrainians flee a Russian occupation when they were wiling to fight and die to escape Ukrainian rule? Ukraine government committed such atrocities in Donetsk and Luhansk that huge protests sprung up in Kyiv.  Have you forgotten about the 2014 revolution?  Eastern Ukraine is 97% Russia speaking.  Ukraine government banned books written in Russian, they ruled that court and all government would be held in Ukrainian,  schools would only be taught in Ukrainian.  This is in a population that didn’t speak Ukrainian.  The Ukrainian constitution agreed to honer any minority over 10% as part of them being granted freedom from the Soviets.  So in accordance to the Ukrainian constitution the states of Donetsk and Luhansk held a vote that was overwhelmingly in support of breaking away from the Ukraine.  This was done in a legal manner according to their on constitution.  In response the Ukrainian government started killing everyone that spoke Russian in the eastern Ukraine.  

Nice to read such a concise answer, well done for researching  all of this first hand,

Some just read and believe partisan nonsense they read on the internet, posted by those with vested interests and swallow it, hook, line and sinker.

And thus the lies and propaganda spread 'til they are believed.

 

 

 

Edited March 1 by janner

[Dave-G]

Someone sent me this lol. https://airgunforums.co.uk/attachments/e08f7b81-a0e1-46d1-a692-0f2898c9b7ed-gif.679555/

Edited March 1 by Dave-G

[old'un]

7 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Someone sent me this lol. https://airgunforums.co.uk/attachments/e08f7b81-a0e1-46d1-a692-0f2898c9b7ed-gif.679555/

Have posted this on the wrong thread??

[Dave-G]

Just now, old'un said:

Have posted this on the wrong thread??

Nope 🙂