Farcombehall Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 This and the other shooting forums I am a member of have one thing in common they were set up by shooters for shooters. Whether we are new to shooting or an old hand I assume the owners of the forums would want us to help other shooters rather than slag them off for what ever reason. The op might not be able to afford anything other than a Hatsan we do not know their personal circumstances. I have owned a Hatsan in the past it was an all right gun I only traded it in as I got a great offer on a auto baikal and could not get another gun into the cabinet. If asked for advice and I was able to give an answer I would give it freely if not I would hope that someone else would help them, or if I was needing advise I would hope that someone would give me an accurate answer. Sam +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Shooting: 95% is You, 5% is the gun. Of course we all would have the top brands if we could afford. And I had a Lada once, also a Trabant. Couldn't have anything else at the time. Cars, guns are tools. No more. Edited February 19, 2014 by londonercsecse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 :lol: You obviously have zero experience of Hatsans. Early days quality control, design, engineering and materials was appalling, that made for an unreliable and dangerous gun, and no amount of user care would change that, my barrel blew up, (and mine was not the only one) and I was stood next to it when my lad pulled the trigger, I tend to call that a safety issue when pieces of barrel and choke go flying everywhere! As for clean, it was brand new and had fired approx. half of its first box of cartridges ever, after a thorough initial out of the box clean from me! ...and please don't try and blame the user, I know it was the gun, the dealer knew it was the gun, Edgar bros knew it was the gun and the Proof House knew it was the gun when it was sent back to them for examination. So that's one that failed, bit too easy to tarr them all with the same brush! Shame this has turned in to yet another Hatsan Escort bashing thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It takes 10 minutes to wreck a reputation and 10 years to build one, unfortunately Hatsan got a very bad reputation on this site due to countless posts of exploding barrels, flying chokes and my gun wont cycle posts. Whether that reputation was justified or not I have no idea but there were quite a few post regards the early guns on here so it stuck. They may or may not have now turned the corner build quality wise but it will take a while for people to accept them as being value for money. Banter always exists with the type of gun you use, I constantly criticize my friends who shoot a Miroku. Maybe one day they will be able to shoot a proper gun rather than a fence post with some left over plumbing bits on it. But if anyone asks me which gun I recommend as the best value, reliable gun, that will last a lifetime which can win a championship, a Miroku is the one I would suggest. The trouble is banter between shooters doesn’t always translate on an internet forum and seen as snobbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's rude snobbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 it is just plain and simple rude. Worse, maybe ignorant. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Any way it is only a Hatsan so who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I admit i have knocked hatsans,i believe you get what you pay for,to be fair they have vastly improved the build quality and reliability,but mud sticks,i bought a brand new twenty bore hatsan about four years ago within ten minutes of using it the thing literally fell to bits,needless to say it went back for a refund,if you like hatsans thats fine if like me you dont that should allso be fine,some people on this forum dont like it when it when you express an opinion that goes against there own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Snobbery is there in all circles of life. Ignore it. I do think, though, that some opinions on guns can be mistaken for something else. I'm not saying I would never own a Hatsan, but the reputation puts me off, along with the experience I've had watching other people who own them. The two I've seen up close both had serious cycling issues. I wouldn't get another Webley s/a. Mine Started to fall to bits after the first couple of outings. I took it back and got an Xtrema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Personally I think there's just as much inverted snobbery when people talk about Hatsans on here. I really couldn't care less what gun people shoot, and if a Hatsan floats your boat, that's fine......at least you'll have a paddle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 So that's one that failed, bit too easy to tarr them all with the same brush! Shame this has turned in to yet another Hatsan Escort bashing thread Yup, that's what i thought too, but couldn't be ***** to make the same responses yet again about the same points being made. Quite ironic post bearing in mind the OP's starting thread. There's good and bad with all makes, some are built to a budget and that will always show. That said, I got a used Escort that I bought to wreck on the saltwater marshes, so cheap was always a requirement. 2 years on and its still going strong and is unmarked by the environment. So long as it's clean and shooting a sensible load (28g+) it's been faultless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 So that's one that failed, bit too easy to tarr them all with the same brush! Shame this has turned in to yet another Hatsan Escort bashing thread :lol: "Early days quality control, design, engineering and materials was appalling, that made for an unreliable and dangerous gun." Yeah, sure, I'm the only one who has ever had a problem with a Hatsan... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I have has a hastan before and it was faultless,I made the decision on Friday while sitting in the hide with my good O/U covered in mud to call my RDF and ask if they had any in stock.So I packed up and drove straight over to my local RDF and bought one on my way home.I find they are excellent guns for the hide and roosting.I could of spent a grand or more if i wanted, but the point of running off to buy a hastan was its cheap enough to not to give a **** if it gets covered in mud. Branding means bot all to me,wife chose to buy a new stype years back £36,000 and 3yrs of greif.My old grand vitara£1,200 faultless. Not relevant but money cant buy you reliability and just because its a top brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Hatsan owners if you point, pull the trigger hear a bang, something falls out of the sky, job done, !!! As goes for ,beretta,miroku,lanber,remmie,we all chose our guns if it works wear it.. But some walks of life are in better stead to buy a more desirable name ,,,everyone to there own my personal opinion it's the fella pulling the trigger.". Edited February 19, 2014 by delburt0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) I had a Hatsan Escort 20g, and it shot fine cycled fine , I sold it on because I always reached for my old Franchi AL48 recoil loader. (Also considered obsolete rubbish). But, i've never had a Pigeon or Rabbit moan about being shot with a cheap gun. Look how long it took Skoda to loose its stigma. And even now some people would not consider one. Its very hard to loose a bad reputation even when the product has improved, similarly though ,some products that were considered excellent, continue to sell, even when that previous quality has long gone. Just Rude! Edited February 19, 2014 by Longbower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) The franchi al48 hunter was the best gun I ever owned,like rocky horse **** to find a good one.The biggest mistake I ever made was getting shot of it.(make room my sons airrifle) Posted a could of weeks ago in the wanted section for a replacement but nothing decent.Opted for a new hastan, but if a mint al48 hunter turns up I'll have it. Edited February 19, 2014 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Can't beat a hatstand really, service it with a damp cloth and an oily rag, job's a good 'un for next time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 My mates had two hatsans including one of each model and the first went back within a month to get a refund . The second was a cheap second hand 5 shot which he made an 8 shot. The thing fell apart on the second bang lol but he's still got it sitting there unused wondering what to do with it. I've never had a semi auto in 13 years of having my sgc because I just dont like them . I prefer o/u and yes I've shot a few hatsans ,berretas, franchi's etc . Plz note I can't hit anything still I've owned baikel sxs before and never spent more than £600 on a shotty but my customer at work thinks nothing of spending £20k on a pair of 12g and the same on 20g . We all get on and have a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hatsan owners if you point, pull the trigger hear a bang, something falls out of the sky, job done, !!!.".as long as it isn't your choke lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 as long as it isn't your choke lol A class reply.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I remember on my first beat at 15 years old when the snobbery hit me, but it still was the funniest and most enjoyable day of my life. It wasn't at the time, I was very cold and wet! A dozen middle-aged, balding, tweed and barbour-wearing men, looking down their noses at you, all with their polished, golden hunting scene Purdys, Brownings, and so on. There was the village idiot who'd beat half, shoot half. In the back of the trailer, all the wannabe toffs were unsheathing their polished, gold-embellished Purdy and Browning over and unders, and there was the village idiot with his semi-auto combat shotgun, black and deadly looking. I found it hilarious, especially hearing it go off! I leant on a blokes pickup and he had a go at me. It can be a lot like golf; people think that taking part in such a sport will push you up on the socio-economic spectrum, even when they're just as common as you and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 A dozen middle-aged, balding, tweed and barbour-wearing men, looking down their noses at you, all with their polished, golden hunting scene Purdys, Brownings, and so on. There was the village idiot who'd beat half, shoot half. In the back of the trailer, all the wannabe toffs were unsheathing their polished, gold-embellished Purdy and Browning over and unders, Well as a Browning owner i am happy to have my mass produced machine made shotgun compared to a handmade work of art like a Purdey... I dont see how leaning on someones motor and them being annoyed at you is relevant, it is rude though, I also don't get why you think taking part would push someone up the socioeconomic ladder or how their background is relevant. If they enjoy shooting let them enjoy it (that includes respecting traditions and rules) we all pay the same for our sport be it a driven day or a round of clays..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cueball Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Unfortunately its snobbery, I think hatsans, Baikal's, pump guns etc, shouldn certainly not be looked down on for any reason. They provide a good reliable shotgun, which for anyone just entering the sport won't break the bank, and I am very much in favour of introducing people to shooting which will not happen if they feel they need to spend £1200 on a new mid level gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexikia Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Would never touch one personally, Just purchased a used, yes "used" Beretta S05 Sporter, for 16k, the wife would not let have a new one. People should man up buy a proper gun not a toy type thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonix Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yeah! Cos everyone has £16k to buy a "proper" gun!!!!? (rolls eyes...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Would never touch one personally, Just purchased a used, yes "used" Beretta S05 Sporter, for 16k, the wife would not let have a new one. People should man up buy a proper gun not a toy type thing. Edited February 21, 2014 by HDAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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