kdubya Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not just teachers, but anyone who strikes should be asked to leave there position Try being self employed for a few years that will put things in perspective All just my opinion of course oh poor hard done by me? put your tax return in yet :lol: KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 oh poor hard done by me? put your tax return in yet :lol: KW Yep all done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) oh poor hard done by me? put your tax return in yet :lol: KW cash is king Edited July 10, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peejay Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 wasnt just teachers on strike was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simjakcal Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I think they got a cheek to strike ! being a single working parent,,its cost me half a day leave today,,,plus I still had to pay the childminder for the school runs that she didn't have to do ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 They disgust me ! wasnt just teachers on strike was it? I've found it harder to pay and sort childcare out today, I can put up with my grey wheelie bin outside till the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glb8686 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I think they got a cheek to strike ! being a single working parent,,its cost me half a day leave today,,,plus I still had to pay the childminder for the school runs that she didn't have to do ! You should be be able to claim for it. I'm self employed so when I have kids and the teachers strike I'll be invoicing them. I also disagree with the strikes. If i didn't like my job, I'd use some common and change my career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 would you want a 68 year old paramedic carrying you or your family down the stairs? we already don't retire until 65 as we are not officially an emergency service so don't get the same benefits as other services. Yes I agree that's what I'm saying I think I have more sympathies with many other professions that are having an equally hard time than teachers strike.John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 none here ,they want to think them selves lucky we have kids to keep them in jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Funny how the fire brigade don't mention their widespread cash in hand day jobs whilst striking. Or the fact that the local station chiefs through the Yorkshire region have been supplied with range rover evoque's as their 'command platforms'. F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 They disgust me ! I've found it harder to pay and sort childcare out today, I can put up with my grey wheelie bin outside till the morning. Didn't know we were your childminders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Good luck to them! I don't think they get paid enough! Having said that I also don't think many of the young ones nowadays are that switched on. You pay peanuts blah blah They turn out??? Pay a proper whack, attract top class teachers and keep them then turn out well educated young people to pay our pensions!!! Edited July 10, 2014 by Lampwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) They should be paid more, I used to do work in schools mostly when they were closed for the six weeks but sometimes the jobs were longer than six weeks. The carp the teachers have to put up with is beyond belief, in less than five minutes I'd have flipped and started throwing them out the windows. Imagine the most cheeky chav scum you ever come a cross and having a few in your class all day long. My cousin went to uni got her teaching degree and lasted about a year before leaving the profession. Far to much to do outside of school hours, marking and planning next days lessons and such. It easy for those who have never witnessed the violence and verbal abuse teachers get on a daily basis and no knowledge of what goes on to criticise what looks like a cushy job. Figgy Edited July 10, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glb8686 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Of course if it's out of school. I didn't force anyone to be a teacher. It was thier own choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 It easy for those never who have no knowledge of what goes on to criticise what looks like a cushy job. Figgy ignorance is in abundance in this thread. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 You know what, it is a brilliant job. When I see the kids faces in August getting their results it makes the blood, sweat and tears worth it, on both parts. (Oh, that's a holiday day, but I will be in the day before the results, analysing them and the next day congratulating the kids and the week before doing the same for a level results, helping the next day with clearing if they need it, that's 5 days gone of my holidays before the planning stages, organising classrooms etc as already mentioned.) The only thing I want is a reasonable deal in 20 years time (when I'm 60) if I'm still here. If any new teachers are not happy with the deal they are offered now, get another job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Some posts have been removed. Name calling will not be tolerated - take it to PMs please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Good luck to the teachers.I hope they get something out of showing they will strike. When i was at school it was not a job i wanted to do with all the **** they took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not as much as the fire service? You're having a laugh! I contribute £100 more a month than I did 2 years ago without my wages going up. Teacher - retire at 65 Fire - retire at 50 (maybe 55) Teacher - work on 80ths Fire - work on 60ths If I take a big lump sum after 40 years of service I will get £50,000 less than before and less per month. I would take their deal tomorrow as I'm sure most teachers would. You forget that in the teaching profession you do not face the same things a firefighter does and your life expectancy is higher than that of a firefighter due to the accumulation of cancer causing agents, heat stress heart problems yadda yadda. The govt. actuary dept. takes these things into account and gives the relevant figures, another thing to remember is; as a person gets older they are not as physically fit as a 20 YO so in a more sedentary profession you will not be sacked for not being physically fit enough to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) My wife teaches and the amount of work she does at home is ridiculous, in fact after getting home, eating with us and having had a break (to take the dog for a walk - my leg is knackered!), she has gone to bed to do a couple of hours planning /marking/ sorting out how to solve problems with children who's parents basically don't give a **** etc etc. I have a reasonably senior position with the company I work for but even so I don't do anything like the hours she puts in. Having said that I have always said that holidays, working day etc should be updated to reflect the modern needs of society - but if you placed yourself in a similar position ie having been teaching for 20+ years your boss has decided that; a) you should work longer hours (no pay rise) b) your pension contributions should increase by >£100 month (effective pay cut) c) the terms and conditions of contract which you signed when you joined the company are able to be rewritten by your employer and you will be required to accept these terms regardless d) your employer is apparently within his rights to unilaterally decide that your right to withdraw your labour should be removed as the unspecified part of your employment where you have signed up to act as a childminder to children who have more rights and protection than you do and (in some cases) are coached from an early age in how to use this fact how many of you would think that simply accepting this would be the best way forward? Edited July 10, 2014 by Willxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) While i acknowledge there are good teachers out there,from bitter experience there are some terrible ones as well. My eldest completed his IT projects for his exams well ahead of time and was guided by his teacher who said it was excellent work and would get top marks,only for the assessor to rip it to pieces and state that it was not what the syllabus was looking for,the teacher had taught a whole year the wrong things,ironically the teacher who got it wrong left to be an assessor and now assesses IT in schools. My youngest who was the brightest kid in the whole county (the stats don't lie) had an english teacher who was a raving lunatic,she picked on my son, screamed at others threw people out of class for no reason,when my wife requested a meeting with the school she met with the head and this teacher, twice in the meeting this teacher ran out of the room screaming and shouting and had to be brought back by the head,,later when we took it further they closed ranks and the head supplied a report on the meeting with no mention of the teacher screaming and shouting and running out of the room,and tried to portray my wife as an out of control person.My Son ended up travelling 15 miles to another school for his english and thankfully passed and will be in his last year in uni when he goes back,thanks to the positive support of the other school.The mad english teacher is still there, she retires next year, but is still shouting screaming throwing things and running up and down corridors crying,we were told off the record that it was simply to hard to sack teachers or even suspend them and it was better all round to wait for her to retire. While teachers may work long hours and get abuse,and i sympathise with that,they need to realise that a lot of the population are having it a lot harder,many on zero hour contracts and pitiful wages.In general teachers work conditions and pay is good compared to most,times are hard everyone is feeling it,so stop your winging because most of us are not interested. Edited July 10, 2014 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) While i acknowledge there are good teachers out there,from bitter experience there are some terrible ones as well. My eldest completed his IT projects for his exams well ahead of time and was guided by his teacher who said it was excellent work and would get top marks,only for the assessor to rip it to pieces and state that it was not what the syllabus was looking for,the teacher had taught a whole year the wrong things,ironically the teacher who got it wrong left to be an assessor and now assesses IT in schools. My youngest who was the brightest kid in the whole county (the stats don't lie) had an english teacher who was a raving lunatic,she picked on my son, screamed at others threw people out of class for no reason,when my wife requested a meeting with the school she met with the head and this teacher, twice in the meeting this teacher ran out of the room screaming and shouting and had to be brought back by the head,,later when we took it further they closed ranks and the head supplied a report on the meeting with no mention of the teacher screaming and shouting and running out of the room,and tried to portray my wife as an out of control person.My Son ended up travelling 15 miles to another school for his english and thankfully passed and will be in his last year in uni when he goes back,thanks to the positive support of the other school.The mad english teacher is still there, she retires next year, but is still shouting screaming throwing things and running up and down corridors crying,we were told off the record that it was simply to hard to sack teachers or even suspend them and it was better all round to wait for her to retire. While teachers may work long hours and get abuse,and i sympathise with that,they need to realise that a lot of the population are having it a lot harder,many on zero hour contracts and pitiful wages.In general teachers work conditions and pay is good compared to most,times are hard everyone is feeling it,so stop your winging because most of us are not interested. Rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish Rubbish, fact is teachers can be removed from post within 8 weeks if need be. Brightest kid In the whole country, I've seen them on the news with 3 a levels at 10 years old, do you have a link? Edited July 10, 2014 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rubbish, fact is teachers can be removed from post within 8 weeks if need be. Brightest kid In the whole country, I've seen them on the news with 3 a levels at 10 years old, do you have a link? I think he stated county so must be a future politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 A few points:- The education system is there to educate your children. It is NOT a child-minding service. So those of you who are whining about having to take a day off work because the teachers were on strike - tough. They're YOUR children. Take responsibility for them. I've never been able to understand people who have children and then hive them off to childminders/neighbours/relatives so that they can go right back to work. What's wrong with bringing up your own children? I have sympathy for the teaching profession. Teaching is a tough number. An awful lot of work is done outside school, and the more dedicated the teachers, the more work they tend to take upon themselves. Discipline in many schools has declined to such an extent that it is very difficult to teach effectively. And of course successive governments have constantly changed the goalposts because the sad fact of the matter is that the politicians can't come to a consensus as to what the education system is actually supposed to be achieving. And lastly, older teachers reading this thread must be wincing at the standard of grammar and spelling and wondering why they bothered anyway. And that criticism applies to some of the contributions from people who have identified themselves as teachers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I blame the environment agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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