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I emailed animal aid yesterday asking if their campaign included any plans to monitor Halal meat slaughtering methods also, but so far haven't heard anything. Perhaps their media centre staff is on his lunch break.

I see they are also concerned about the methods by which chickens are gathered in rearing sheds prior to slaughter; citing them being picked up four in each hand by their 'frail' legs. Some of the lads where I used to work could carry more than four in each hand.

While I can't agree with wanton cruelty or mistreatment of any creature, I can also see how working in such places on a day to day basis may eventually numb a persons sensitivities to a degree. They aren't pleasant places to work; six months or so was enough for me.

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I try to be realistic about slaughter, I'm a countryman and I've been around animals long enough to know what happens and I've seen it enough times, including slaughtering my own poultry.However, the one thing that has really upset me in the past was with a cow that was struggling with a large calf. The vet attended and decided that a caesarean wasn't practical so the cow went for slaughter. The cow died with a live calf still inside her and so that calf had to die as well. I wish now that someone had had the foresight to shoot the cow on the farm and at least try to get the calf out alive. Rules are rules I suppose but that situation seemed so wrong to me.

Was this a while ago. Reason I ask is that is the complete oppressive to what happened to me with injured stock. I had 2 pigs booked into slaughter before Christmas when I was loading them 1 pig decided to jump over the fence this fence has held I guess 50 pigs over the years and never has one tried this escape route. Long story short the pig had Broken a back leg. I phone the abattoir to let them know of what had happened and they did not want the pig at there place, the reason was with a ministry vet onsite inspecting the animals they and I would be opening our selfs up for animal cruelty charges by transporting a injured animal to slaughter. I had 3 options get the vet to deal with it or get a fallen stock man in to shoot it or shoot it myself. Luckily I know a man who deals with fallen stock who is also on PW. He can swiftly round and gave it a .357 to the head.

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4 Hours in a Chicken factory was enough for me. Some of the people on the live hanging section where I was working were, simply put, simple. I think that CCTV would be good but not perticularly cruelty wise where poultry is concerned-but it might make people wake up and realise the wretched state of these mass produced birds, birds that can barely stand because they are too weak and their bodies are too big, birds with broken legs (easily done if the bird simply struggles as you try to hang it) being thrown into skips and dumped to be eaten by Rats. If people could see this practice they might ,just might, demand better living standars for our Poultry.

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Was this a while ago. Reason I ask is that is the complete oppressive to what happened to me with injured stock. I had 2 pigs booked into slaughter before Christmas when I was loading them 1 pig decided to jump over the fence this fence has held I guess 50 pigs over the years and never has one tried this escape route. Long story short the pig had Broken a back leg. I phone the abattoir to let them know of what had happened and they did not want the pig at there place, the reason was with a ministry vet onsite inspecting the animals they and I would be opening our selfs up for animal cruelty charges by transporting a injured animal to slaughter. I had 3 options get the vet to deal with it or get a fallen stock man in to shoot it or shoot it myself. Luckily I know a man who deals with fallen stock who is also on PW. He can swiftly round and gave it a .357 to the head.

Yes it was some years ago, never forgotten it though. My 2 oldest kids were present hoping to see a live birth but having to explain to them was very difficult. It hasn't happened on that farm since but they don't use the same vet either!

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Was this a while ago. Reason I ask is that is the complete oppressive to what happened to me with injured stock. I had 2 pigs booked into slaughter before Christmas when I was loading them 1 pig decided to jump over the fence this fence has held I guess 50 pigs over the years and never has one tried this escape route. Long story short the pig had Broken a back leg. I phone the abattoir to let them know of what had happened and they did not want the pig at there place, the reason was with a ministry vet onsite inspecting the animals they and I would be opening our selfs up for animal cruelty charges by transporting a injured animal to slaughter. I had 3 options get the vet to deal with it or get a fallen stock man in to shoot it or shoot it myself. Luckily I know a man who deals with fallen stock who is also on PW. He can swiftly round and gave it a .357 to the head.

That sounds right, but also wrong, ALL animals are inspected by an OV (cursory albeit) before slaughter and inspected by a meat hygiene inspector (sometimes the same person) after dressed, the only person to get in trouble would be you for transporting an injured animal.

 

Glad you got your pig sorted.

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That sounds right, but also wrong, ALL animals are inspected by an OV (cursory albeit) before slaughter and inspected by a meat hygiene inspector (sometimes the same person) after dressed, the only person to get in trouble would be you for transporting an injured animal.

 

Glad you got your pig sorted.

we are allowed to slaughter our sheep at home for our own consumption, is this not the case in England ?

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In the vast vast majority of slaughter houses the simple facrt is there is NO creulty, beiing cruel to animals would generally stress them more and possibly damage the meat neither would make ur day job any easier or spoil the end product so why do it??

 

Those of u that think it is a good idea, do u know any folk that work in the meat/slaughter trade? or ever been inside a slaughter house?

Or do u just believe everything a goupo like AA tell u, not always the most open minded place to get ur info from

 

Yes there will be odd exceptions but in general the slaughtering in this country will have some of the highest stanards of both welfare and hygene in the world, I will guarrantee u cannot say that about most of the imported meat. There is boats loads of frozen beef coming in from africa and S america. Do u really think any of that is treated the same way or slaughtered to the same standard. I used to shoot with a fella who owned farms in Brazil and he himself said we should not be importing meat from there, where F&M is common as well as other diseases

 

On the face if it like many things if have nothing to hide u have nothing to fear. Wot will their next petion be CCTV on all farms, or all farmers to wear 'go pro' cameras at all times to make sure their not being cruel. off camera.

Impartial camera men on ALL driven shoots making sure a high enough % of birds are cleanly killed

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Whilst you're all falling over yourselves to support Animal Aid it might be worth noting their stance on shooting and fieldsports. Regardless of how you feel about slaughter houses giving support to that kind of organisation is akin to turkeys voting for xmas.

I don't buy that. It's like saying no shooter should ever object to any animal cruelty or support any animal welfare initiative on the off chance Animal Aid share the same view. I get that they are extreme vegans who would stop all live quarry shooting and probably all meat eating if they could, but I can differentiate between their loony animal rights extremism and genuine issues worthy of support.

 

I'm never going to join them or put money in any tin they are rattling but ultimately on this particular issue I think they are right. I'm not supporting Animal Aid, I'm supporting the idea that CCTV in slaughterhouses will encourage good welfare practice and compliance with the law. I'd have signed the petition if it had been posted by the flat earth society or the LGBT wing of the Hell's Angels.

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In the vast vast majority of slaughter houses the simple facrt is there is NO creulty, beiing cruel to animals would generally stress them more and possibly damage the meat neither would make ur day job any easier or spoil the end product so why do it??

 

Those of u that think it is a good idea, do u know any folk that work in the meat/slaughter trade? or ever been inside a slaughter house?

Or do u just believe everything a goupo like AA tell u, not always the most open minded place to get ur info from

 

Yes there will be odd exceptions but in general the slaughtering in this country will have some of the highest stanards of both welfare and hygene in the world, I will guarrantee u cannot say that about most of the imported meat. There is boats loads of frozen beef coming in from africa and S america. Do u really think any of that is treated the same way or slaughtered to the same standard. I used to shoot with a fella who owned farms in Brazil and he himself said we should not be importing meat from there, where F&M is common as well as other diseases

 

On the face if it like many things if have nothing to hide u have nothing to fear. Wot will their next petion be CCTV on all farms, or all farmers to wear 'go pro' cameras at all times to make sure their not being cruel. off camera.

Impartial camera men on ALL driven shoots making sure a high enough % of birds are cleanly killed

I'm not sure what your motive is here, imported meat we have no control over the welfare standards, which is why I buy british meat, we, as you've stated, have the highest welfare standards in Europe, our laws prescribe how animals are kept and slaughtered so the argument from the welfare groups is legitimate, to monitor careful, ethical handling and killing is part of the Animal Welfare Act.

A lot of supermarket lamb and chicken is hala these days ive seen videos of gassing pigs in a Australian slaughter house and that didn't seem humane to me what happen to the old captive bolt gun

Carbon dioxide stunning is used extensively in this country, the old captive bolt gun is ok for a local butcher, it's not for 10,000 pigs a day going through the process in one plant.

 

No one in the right mind shoots pigs, sheep if you have to.

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I have no motive other than not blindly believing everything some raving loony tells me, the vast majority of slaughter houses are not cruel or mistreat their animals, its not in their interest to mistreat the product. Quite a few of my mates all work in the trade and they are very proffessional.

If a slaughter house was mistreating there animals word would soon get around and some farmers would refuse to sell there stock to them.

And before anyone says that wouldnae happen, i know several farmers that won't take there stock to market on certain days as thats when certain religoins generally buyers turn up, so costing them money.

 

If they insist on CCTV in slaughter houses, some where an animal will literaly spend minutes/hours (max) of its life, why not insist on CCTV in all livestock trailers most stock will spend far more of it's life in a trailer than a slaughter house.

Will there next petition be CCTV in all farm sheds/races or sheep pens, after all that is where animals will spend most of there life?

 

 

It's just the sort of nonsense campign u expect from looonies like them, not actually practical, and the problem there attempting to solve doesnae actually really exist

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I'm not sure what your motive is here, imported meat we have no control over the welfare standards, which is why I buy british meat, we, as you've stated, have the highest welfare standards in Europe, our laws prescribe how animals are kept and slaughtered so the argument from the welfare groups is legitimate, to monitor careful, ethical handling and killing is part of the Animal Welfare Act.

Carbon dioxide stunning is used extensively in this country, the old captive bolt gun is ok for a local butcher, it's not for 10,000 pigs a day going through the process in one plant.

 

No one in the right mind shoots pigs, sheep if you have to.

 

 

 

we kill sheep in the field, no transport, no queues, no panic, no knowledge, .22 humane killer point blank and they drop to the ground, dead

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I'm not sure what your motive is here, imported meat we have no control over the welfare standards, which is why I buy british meat, we, as you've stated, have the highest welfare standards in Europe, our laws prescribe how animals are kept and slaughtered so the argument from the welfare groups is legitimate, to monitor careful, ethical handling and killing is part of the Animal Welfare Act.

Carbon dioxide stunning is used extensively in this country, the old captive bolt gun is ok for a local butcher, it's not for 10,000 pigs a day going through the process in one plant.

 

No one in the right mind shoots pigs, sheep if you have to.

 

 

 

we kill sheep in the field, no transport, no queues, no panic, no knowledge, .22 humane killer point blank and they drop to the ground, dead

That's what I've just said, a captive bolt is a different thing.

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Blunderbuss u've found 4 stories,how many animals do u think are slaughtered everyday?

There will be a tiny % of rogues and i'm sure the meat inspectors have a good idea who they are so give them more powers.

Putting cctv's inside a slaughter house is not really practical to cover 100% of areas from all angles, and if u done this and it showed they're waslittle/no charges to answer AA would only claim it's still going on in the blind spots.

They have there own agenda and this is just a headline grabbing petiton.

We're very lucky that almost all stock in UK is treated very well throughout its life.

 

Perhaps they should be starting petions where we only allow imported meat where it has already been raised and slaughtered to the same high standards. That would really improve millions of animals lifes

 

Rogue traders/cowboy builders run a tv series featuring loads of different trades cutting corners should all trades men be cctv'd at all times or all food factories have their employees monitored at all times?

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Scotslad please don't think I am having a pop at slaughtermen or abbatoirs. I don't doubt that the vast majority are ethical and compliant. I also know our welfare standards are probably the highest in the world. As a result, where possible I buy British. But there are occasional shocking abuses uncovered. I only posted the first four links I found, but there are plenty of others if you do a quick google. Some of the descriptions of what these low life do is shocking. There is simply no excuse for it and if CCTV makes the minority of sadists who do this stuff think twice, then its good enough for me. If the footage can only be accessed by officials, I don't see what the genuine businesses have to fear?

 

I'm not sure the builder analogy works. Apart from the practicalities of covering every loft conversion, patio or conservatory build in the land, the implications of a wonky wall aren't the same in my mind as someone hitting a horse with an iron bar or burning a pig's face with cigarettes.

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Having worked in a slaughter house for a bit, I can see the thinking behind it all to an extent. Do I see as a remedy ? No!

If there are issue's with regards to animal welfare then its needs to be sorted at source. Why monitor premises that are not creating problems, its wasted time and money and put those resources wherever they are needed.

Ive seen meat ruined brought on by stress, and it is ruined, some of it not fit for mince.

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Dougy has said far better wot i was trying to say. I'm sure the authorities meat inspectors know where potential problems could be.

 

If u decide to go down the route of cctving slaughter houses then why not markets, livestock transporters or farmers as all have the same potential for cruelty (potentially more) if someone really wants to do stuff like that

 

My builder/tradesman analogy was meant to highlight there is rogues in every trade

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I have no motive other than not blindly believing everything some raving loony tells me, the vast majority of slaughter houses are not cruel or mistreat their animals, its not in their interest to mistreat the product. Quite a few of my mates all work in the trade and they are very proffessional.

If a slaughter house was mistreating there animals word would soon get around and some farmers would refuse to sell there stock to them.

And before anyone says that wouldnae happen, i know several farmers that won't take there stock to market on certain days as thats when certain religoins generally buyers turn up, so costing them money.

 

If they insist on CCTV in slaughter houses, some where an animal will literaly spend minutes/hours (max) of its life, why not insist on CCTV in all livestock trailers most stock will spend far more of it's life in a trailer than a slaughter house.

Will there next petition be CCTV in all farm sheds/races or sheep pens, after all that is where animals will spend most of there life?

 

 

It's just the sort of nonsense campign u expect from looonies like them, not actually practical, and the problem there attempting to solve doesnae actually really exist

Far too sensible!

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