flippermaj Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Probably not the right section to ask this but my dad (shotgun cert holder) has some wildfowling cartridges for me but he lives 160 miles away. Is it legal for a friend (non shotgun certificate holder) to collect them for me?? Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunnin21 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Wouldnt think it would be legal for none cert holder to have them in his possetion, could always ring fao and ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Find out for sure BUT, I think that when your father hands the cartridges to a non certificate holder, and he leaves under non sgc holder supervision the law has been broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) You do not need a cert to possess shotgun shell's unless slug in which case they would be on a fac. Edited July 28, 2015 by fse10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 At one time you did not need to show your ticket to buy cartriges,now you do,so if he was found with them in his car i think plod would take a dim view to be honest,but thats only my opinion, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Yes it would be quite legal for your friend to collect . you do not need a certificate to posess cartridges. Edited July 28, 2015 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I was under the impression that you needed a SGC to purchase cartridges but a non SGC holder can be in possession of cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 You do not need a SGC to be in possession of shotgun shells as they are not controlled. You can keep them under your bed if you want. You only need a SGC to purchase them. However this can sometimes even be done by a non cert holder if they have a written permission from a SGC holder along with their certificate to purchase on behalf of the certificate holder. (Subject to RFD agreeing of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I was under the impression that you needed a SGC to purchase cartridges but a non SGC holder can be in possession of cartridges. This is correct, the friend will be fine to deliver the shells, just like the van driver that delivers them from online suppliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) The law say you do not need a sgc to to possess or acquire shotgun cartridges. Not that you'd find many shops that will sell you any with out seeing a certificate. Edited to more accurately represent the facts Edited July 28, 2015 by bluesj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 You need to show your shotgun certificate to purchase cartridges. You do not need an SGC to be in possession of them. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 You can buy all the components to make your own carts without having a SGC. That is why you don't have to lock them up in a house where no holders live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 ''unless slug'' Law changed? It used to be FAC if less than six projectiles. Might have been six or less, but not so important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippermaj Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hi everyone, thanks for all the replies, sending the mother in law down for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Your on a win win then, if we are right with what we told you you get some cartridges and if we are wrong the mother in law could get locked up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Your on a win win then, if we are right with what we told you you get some cartridges and if we are wrong the mother in law could get locked up!am ill with the laughing!!! Belter !! Edited July 29, 2015 by Robbie Forster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Better still, let her pick them up and then ring the local 'Nick'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juicer Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 It's an offence over here, maybe yous are different...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Better still, let her pick them up and then ring the local 'Nick'. . You'd better not be around when she gets back home. And you will continue to get stick from the missus also No tea for you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 You do not need a SGC to be in possession of shotgun shells as they are not controlled. You can keep them under your bed if you want. You only need a SGC to purchase them. However this can sometimes even be done by a non cert holder if they have a written permission from a SGC holder along with their certificate to purchase on behalf of the certificate holder. (Subject to RFD agreeing of course). /\ /\ /\ This ''unless slug'' Law changed? It used to be FAC if less than six projectiles. Might have been six or less, but not so important. The law hasn't changed but realistically in the UK the only shotgun cartridge that has less than five pieces of shot over 0.36" is solid slug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubear Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I just did a purchase from justcartridges.com and the chap on the phone (very helpful and friendly by the way!) said that you need an SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges but you do not need an SGC to be in possession of them, so I think you're probably ok for your friend to pick them up for you. Thats actually good to know because now I dont have to be completely anal about checking the boot of the car for a random loose shell before my other half drives it and gets in trouble with the Police if they were to find an escapee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) as previously stated, you only need an SGC to buy shotgun cartridges (section 2 ammo) you do not need one to be given or in possession of shotgun ammo.... be aware though that most Police officers are not aware enough of this and may well arrest you either on suspicion of possession of ammo unlawfully or use that possession to have a suspicion that you are in possession of a gun illegally. i.e. then search I had to explain the law a couple of times when i was a custody Sgt to zealous young officers also if ammo does not fall into definition then it is an offence.... i.e. solid slug, too few balls or balls too big :-) Edited August 1, 2015 by nic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 as previously stated, you only need an SGC to buy shotgun cartridges (section 2 ammo) you do not need one to be given or in possession of shotgun ammo.... be aware though that most Police officers are not aware enough of this and may well arrest you either on suspicion of possession of ammo unlawfully or use that possession to have a suspicion that you are in possession of a gun illegally. i.e. then search I had to explain the law a couple of times when i was a custody Sgt to zealous young officers also if ammo does not fall into definition then it is an offence.... i.e. solid slug, too few balls or balls too big :-) That's not very good, is it? How can someone be sent out to do a job with only half of the information.>> how can they think that it is illegal to be in possession and get to the point of arresting someone and dragging them in to the station and yet not know that no offence has occurred? This happened to a friend of mine only a couple of years ago. He had gone into a Pub for the after shoot dinner and had left a slab on the back seat of the vehicle. Unbeknown to him they had been a previous disturbance at the pub and the police have been called to deal with it. By the time they got there it was all over and done with and the people has gone away. The offices noted the cartridges in the vehicle and tried to arrest my friend for having and leaving the cartridges in an unsecured place. The officers were really rampant about it and the shoot captain rang the law and made the officers talk to whoever at the station about it. Because they had the attitude that they were right and were going to do what they were going to do. They had to back off and looked a bit stupid over their behaviour. Not very professional was it. If it had happened to me I would have written a letter to the chief constable asking why it was that these officers acted in the way that they did with no knowledge of what they were doing or trying to arrest people who hadn't committed any offence. And there are a lot more financial cuts to be made so there will be even less training available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 That's not very good, is it? How can someone be sent out to do a job with only half of the information.>> how can they think that it is illegal to be in possession and get to the point of arresting someone and dragging them in to the station and yet not know that no offence has occurred? It`s not considered an essential part of the law for them to learn. Presumably because offences covered by those laws are infrequent enough that the average copper is unlikely to encounter such a situation. I suppose you can at least look on that as a bright side to their ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) It`s not considered an essential part of the law for them to learn. Presumably because offences covered by those laws are infrequent enough that the average copper is unlikely to encounter such a situation. I suppose you can at least look on that as a bright side to their ignorance. If one knew that it was going to happen then it would have been better to plant an empty slab box and a couple of cartridge boxes with the lids closed along with a gun slip on the back seat. This would have given them an arrousal. You can just picture the scene as these young pc's would be rubbing their hands together thinking "we've hit the jackpot here boys. Points make prizes, we are going to apprehend a major criminal here." Only to find out that they were trying to arrest someone for having an empty cardboard box on the back seat. In this incident I think that what got up peoples noses was the fact that the PC's obviously didn't know the law and were hell bent on arresting the bloke rather than calling back to HQ to seek clarification on the matter even though several suited gentleman one of which was a solicitor had advised them that it wasn't an offence. The bloke was carted off and then released at the station. The law then had to bring him back to the pub. He is the sort of bloke who revells in stuff like this and probably sued the police for wrongfull arrest causing him inconvenience, loss of social pleasure and humiliation in front his friends and the general public. Perhaps this might have gotten the PC's the training that they needed to do their job correctly. Edited August 2, 2015 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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