JDog Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Did anyone see the footage of the Belgian security services attempts to capture Abdelslam? There were nine armed and protected officers all lined up on the same side of the house door and the fugitive simply ran out the other way. One wonders if the Belgians are capable of holding up their end in the war on terror. Today's blasts at the airport and on the metro would indicate otherwise. A difficult situation I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 One wonders if the Belgians are capable of holding up their end in the war on terror. Today's blasts at the airport and on the metro would indicate otherwise. A difficult situation I know. Bit of a harsh assessment. You could likewise ask if we are up to it after the London tube and bus bombings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Belgium has a massive problem with radicalisation and is and has been a staging post for a lot of things that have happened elsewhere. They are also pretty good at working with Interpol and EUPol, so I think they are doing their bit. I dont think that you can point to todays attacks and say that they arent up to the job on that basis - the same accusation could be made of any number of western target countries, including ourselves and the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitz Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 looks like something has happened at a metro station now. 13 reported dead, terrible news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Same thing could happen in any UK city on any day of the week. There will always be soft targets unless we have a police state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I don't think any country is up to it. It's a hard task that you can't always win. We are too tied up in red tape and namby pambyness to have any teeth to bite back with, It's been admitted as being a war and a war on terror. During the Second World War there were interment camps to stop terror on our shores, if this happened today in all of Europe there wouldn't be many left to do any terror activities. We certainly wouldn't get them wanting to come here like they do now. Maybe a simplistic approach but war isn't rocket science, beat the baddies to win. Hopefully at some point the kid gloves come off for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Same thing could happen in any UK city on any day of the week. There will always be soft targets unless we have a police state. Yes, if there are highly secure areas that large numbers of people need to access, there will always be less secure areas just outside but still full of people. If you can't get into an airport without going through security checks, those checkpoints become the soft target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Maybe a simplistic approach but war isn't rocket science, beat the baddies to win. Hopefully at some point the kid gloves come off for real. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I often think how easy it is to blow yourself up. The materials are easily sourced and to walk into asda between 50 people is easy. You can't stop these idiots. I don't know how'd I'd cope if a family member was killed by these sickos. The thought of being blown open . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is the result of successive governments forcing political correctness and multiculturism on our Western Christian democracies, people are cowed and frightened of speaking their mind for fear of ending up in court or prison or being ostracised by advocates of this misguided concept! For multiculturism to work it needed to be reciprocated by other cultures and religions..........and it isn't! Successive governments have imposed multiculturalism and political correctness on Western society and enforced compliance by using the legal system, they have encouraged immigration and migration to the West, now they have lost control and the West is in danger of being swamped by immigrants and migrants..........not all come here for benign reasons.........and now we are reaping what our political masters have in their stupidity sown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 You cannot plan against these attacks,all the police/soldiers on the streets might make things more difficult in the planning stages for the terrorist/attacker,but they will always know when,where and how the attack will be delivered ,therefore having the element of surprise you cannot defend against that. Sadly this has been demonstrated in Brussels this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Same thing could happen in any UK city on any day of the week. There will always be soft targets EVEN IF we have a police state. Fixed that for you. If we go down the police state path, they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Panoma1 I think what you say is true. When I've sat with people and talked everyone of them has said the same. Even other migrants in this country agree it's gone daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Well reports are saying, the secondary device was planted at the exit,so those fleeing from the initial explosion would cop some of the secondary device,classic terrorist tactics. Another reminder for us all to stay vigilant going about our day to day business,BB Edited March 22, 2016 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is the result of successive governments forcing political correctness and multiculturism on our Western Christian democracies, people are cowed and frightened of speaking their mind for fear of ending up in court or prison or being ostracised by advocates of this misguided concept! For multiculturism to work it needed to be reciprocated by other cultures and religions..........and it isn't! Successive governments have imposed multiculturalism and political correctness on Western society and enforced compliance by using the legal system, they have encouraged immigration and migration to the West, now they have lost control and the West is in danger of being swamped by immigrants and migrants..........not all come here for benign reasons.........and now we are reaping what our political masters have in their stupidity sown. How much longer can we afford to be tolerant before deciding to rid the earth of this affront to civilization. Think the unthinkable,,quickly ,, before its too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 where will this end is it time to seriously rethink and think / do the unthinkable before pass the point of no return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is the result of successive governments forcing political correctness and multiculturism on our Western Christian democracies, people are cowed and frightened of speaking their mind for fear of ending up in court or prison or being ostracised by advocates of this misguided concept! For multiculturism to work it needed to be reciprocated by other cultures and religions..........and it isn't! Successive governments have imposed multiculturalism and political correctness on Western society and enforced compliance by using the legal system, they have encouraged immigration and migration to the West, now they have lost control and the West is in danger of being swamped by immigrants and migrants..........not all come here for benign reasons.........and now we are reaping what our political masters have in their stupidity sown. This isn't an immigration issue, immigration (from both quarters ) has existed for hundreds of years. The phenomenon of bombings, shootings and radicalisation did not even exist until a few years ago, it all started after Bush/Blair told us the world needed to start a war on terror. This is the direct result and combined culmination of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya/Palestine/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This isn't an immigration issue, immigration (from both quarters ) has existed for hundreds of years. The phenomenon of bombings, shootings and radicalisation did not even exist until a few years ago, it all started after Bush/Blair told us the world needed to start a war on terror. This is the direct result and combined culmination of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya/Palestine/etc. Mostly agree with this Hammy, but would suggest that radicalisation has also existed as long as people have held any sort of belief, that is true for all of the Abrahamic religions as well. I would also suggest that it is more a result of globalisation in general and not uniquely specific to individual policy of Bush & Blair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 If you think this is a problem caused by Bush and Blair (although I think they should both be imprisoned for war crimes) You have forgotten all the bombings by the IRA, the Basque nationalists to name just two close to our shores. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yes it is,,if you had experience of the outlook of immigrant populations in West Yorkshire you would know that they have been saying for years that its only a matter of time before their numbers built up and they could establish a world as they want it,,and to hell with the rest. This isn't an immigration issue, immigration (from both quarters ) has existed for hundreds of years. The phenomenon of bombings, shootings and radicalisation did not even exist until a few years ago, it all started after Bush/Blair told us the world needed to start a war on terror. This is the direct result and combined culmination of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya/Palestine/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This isn't an immigration issue, immigration (from both quarters ) has existed for hundreds of years. The phenomenon of bombings, shootings and radicalisation did not even exist until a few years ago, it all started after Bush/Blair told us the world needed to start a war on terror. This is the direct result and combined culmination of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya/Palestine/etc. No but it has now become a Muslim issue whether people are prepared to admit it or not is the 64000 dollar question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) This isn't an immigration issue, immigration (from both quarters ) has existed for hundreds of years. The phenomenon of bombings, shootings and radicalisation did not even exist until a few years ago, it all started after Bush/Blair told us the world needed to start a war on terror. This is the direct result and combined culmination of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya/Palestine/etc. Quite agree! I don't think I said that? What I was saying (amongst other things) was a failure to control immigration, an open immigration policy, failure to address illegal immigration and failure to police borders has allowed enemies of the West to infiltrate and operate in western countries. Edited March 22, 2016 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Very sad events. R.I.P. Just one question: Would the proposed new EU gun laws prevent this attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Very sad events. R.I.P. Just one question: Would the proposed new EU gun laws prevent this attack?[/quote Definitely not. However I dare say Mrs may and her team will now come up with even more clever ways to restrict the terrorists with even more bans and restrictions on legal sporting guns and license holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Very sad events. R.I.P. Just one question: Would the proposed new EU gun laws prevent this attack? Nope! They were never intended to! they are merely an attempt by an anti shooting Euro MP to attack shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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